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Are there any NDE life reviews where people have to feel the suffering of all the animals that they ate during their lifetime? It would seem odd if the life review only included effects that we may have had on other humans.
This reminds me of something which happened to me a couple of decades ago.Don't go kicking trees anymore!
Are there any NDE life reviews where people have to feel the suffering of all the animals that they ate during their lifetime? It would seem odd if the life review only included effects that we may have had on other humans.
I wouldn't worry about it. I think the important thing is that you already understand that situation enough to not repeat it. I suspect that though such events may appear in a life review, it might well be some other events which you are not nearly so aware of, some forgotten incidents, both good and bad, which might take more prominence.I remember when I was around thirteen and my family was moving (AGAIN) and I was packing boxes in my room. For some reason, I don't know why, I found a pin and decided to prick my cat with it. He yelped and ran away. I never forgave myself for it. I have no idea why I did it, but it bothers me to this day.
I'll start with a disclaimer first. I'm in no way qualified to comment on others' dreams, though I'm sometimes able to unravel my own dreams. Having said that, this "neglected animal that you 'forgot about'" sounds like a part of yourself. It could perhaps represent the neglected spiritual side, or maybe possibly some talent or skill, or unfulfilled ambition that you once had, and which was asking to be brought forward.I used to have a common nightmare that I was neglecting an animal that I "forgot about." I would remember it existed, and then I would find it starving and dehydrated in some forgotten room of my house, or in a garage. I hated that dream. (These animals didn't exist, but I had this nightmare several times over the years, but I haven't had one in the last ten years.) I'm sure that dream is begging for analysis, but I hated it so much I just put it out of my mind, as I really try to love and care for my pets. Those dreams always ruined my day, and I would love and kiss all over my pets afterward.
I think it is likely more complicated than that. If we accept the evidence, lots of people are getting into "heaven", whatever that is. I've eaten plenty of animals and still do. The cultures you mention also, anecdotally, had a real reverence for the animals whose lives they needed to take.So, people who are born in the places where there nothing but animal flesh to survive on, like, say, Eskimos, or American Indians,will never get into Heaven? Hmmmm, I find it extremely unfair. Doesn't make much sense to me.
Ooops. Stepped in the Enrique poop trap. God forbid anyone should call you an ideologist. LOL. I never said eskimos or any other indigenous people wouldn't go to "heaven".Excuse me? What the hell are you talking about what f.... "ideological argument"? I made no ideological argument whatsoever, so, snapping at me like that is a shitty and stupid thing to do. I made a valid point. I love animals and would like to be a vegetarian, I'm seriously thinking about it. I already eat meat once a month, buying it from a free range farm. Anything f.... wrong with it?? "Ideological argument"..... Where the f.... you saw an ideological argument in what I wrote is beyond me. Oh, and don't tell me where the f... to post.
I just don't think the people who live on meat out of necessity would have to pay any Karmic debt. That's all.
Ooops. Stepped in the Enrique poop trap. God forbid anyone should call you an ideologist. LOL. I never said eskimos or any other indigenous people wouldn't go to "heaven".
As I said. I'm more interested to have a nuanced discussion about the nature of animals. Obviously they are imbued with the same "soul stuff" as humans (which are also animals, of course.) What does it mean to kill to eat? Does it mean the same for us as it did for people 100 or 1000 years ago? What will be the attitude toward people who prefer to still eat the "actual" animal when synthetically produced "meat" is widely available?
I'm basically an animist, so when I have to cut down a tree for firewood I feel a real sadness. It is a loss for everyone that I have to cut down a tree in order to survive.
I don't want to have an argument. I probably over reacted. I apologize.
It seems to me the golden rule should apply: treat them the way you'd want to be treated if you were in their position.
I won't begrudge the worms and bugs who eat my flesh. Or if I got eaten by a lion, in the end, I wouldn't hold it against him. I might try to kill him before he could kill me, but after I'm dead? Sure, go ahead and make use of the carefully acquired and stored energy. I think if the animals we eat are at all spiritually enlightened then, in their post mortem form, they'll be understanding... as long as we treat them with respect and give them a quick clean death.
It's strange, on the one hand you apologize, on the other, attack me again.... I also get sad when I see a chopped tree. I only use fallen trees for fire. And I also think about animal suffering when I eat meat. Every time it's more and more difficult for me. It's a dilemma.... I will inevitably become a vegetarian. For now, I just buy free-range meat and chicken, every time less frequently.
I really do want to know the answer to this question.
I can only conclude that it is a choice, like every other aspect of our lives. Specifically I am talking of the vegetarian/vegan "option" but also of all the intentions and interactions that we have with other living beings.
When I was a young adult, I was a strict vegetarian but I did not have the understanding, experience and conscientiousness of the animals under my care that I do now. I cringe at the mistakes that I made in the care of animals entrusted to me. Strangely, it was only after I had a spiritual awakening decades later that I ate any meat at all. It's like I had the revelation that everything lives, everything dies, and it is ok because death is a natural and inevitable consequence of life. Like Doppelganger my main objection to eating meat is the meat industry itself. Now generally I prefer not to eat meat, but if someone cooks me something, or wants me to cook them something with meat, I generally have no objection.
Also, my awakening came through exposure to reincarnation and Michael Newton's work. In his books he claimed that animals go to a different place. I was quite offended by that notion at first as it seems to follow the whole "animals have no souls" theme which I continue to be vehemently opposed to. I do not believe this is what he was saying though. Perhaps animals just have a different path to the ocean that is consciousness.
With regard to human experience, I think intention is the key. The stories, and the guilt (and it would seem I am not alone) that we experience, are part of a learning process. You don't blame a child for harm that they cause if they are too young to recognize and prevent that harm.