Charlie Primero
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People think humanity is the center of the universe and we are not.
If that were true, you would be able to point out a better Center than our current Center.
People think humanity is the center of the universe and we are not.
great point. I don't understand the fuss....the mystery of UFO physicality or for some physicality VS consciousness … though for many of us this is a false dichotomy. It must be both.
That wasn't my point. Which was aliens are incompetent at hiding themselves, or they don't care either way. If it's the latter, they may as well reveal their existence to earth's inhabitants. If they're playing a long game it's very long indeed. If we're lab rats, aliens don't need to poke around in the bushes and people's rectums, because they already know what's up there.great point. I don't understand the fuss.
also, don't understand the argument, "... any civilization that advanced wouldn't need to [fill in the blank]"
- leave implants
- ride space ships
- gather minerals/water/resources
...
I don't see how we could make such assumptions.
McKenna was a wit and a contrarian, but many of his points were those of a high grade late night pub conversation. There are no shortage of maybes in Ufology, but few you'd bet your house on. Imbibing industrial quantities of natural or manufactured chemical compounds in the hope one or two might open the doors of perception, is akin to playing the lottery in the expectation one might win. Possible, but I wouldn't plan my lifestyle on a successful outcome. Aliens may make the trip, but not in the way McKenna might imply. UFOs look like sufficiently like tech to follow that line of enquiry in preference to a dreamstate. First contact is informed by writers like Iain M. Banks and Isaac Asimov, and the protocols of Star Trek plotlines as anything tangible.Interestingly, McKenna believed that the broad purpose of the Mushroom/DMT Elves/Whatever was to help us to evolve a language capable of expressing/grasping progressively higher and more profound concepts. Maybe a language better suited to navigating the ins and outs of a conscious universe.
Is it just me or do these two points seem related?
McKenna was a wit and a contrarian, but many of his points were those of a high grade late night pub conversation. There are no shortage of maybes in Ufology, but few you'd bet your house on. Imbibing industrial quantities of natural or manufactured chemical compounds in the hope one or two might open the doors of perception, is akin to playing the lottery in the expectation one might win. Possible, but I wouldn't plan my lifestyle on a successful outcome. Aliens may make the trip, but not in the way McKenna might imply. UFOs look like sufficiently like tech to follow that line of enquiry in preference to a dreamstate. First contact is informed by writers like Iain M. Banks and Isaac Asimov, and the protocols of Star Trek plotlines as anything tangible.
I gave up a close reading of the data when I realised people referred to UFOs and Klingons in the same sentence.
If they're technologically advanced they have the ability to remain hidden, but reveal themselves in random ways that make no sense.
Or they're introducing themselves by influencing the minds of sci-fi writers as to their nature. Which has actually been said. That sounds like fake mediums caught in the act of pulling cheesecloth out of their fannies saying the evil spirits made them do it this time.Ok, here's one for you.....
Maybe the alien's civilization is in the grip of a flying-saucer-industrial-complex. So, the saucer company keeps bribing the interstellar politicians to mount pointless saucer expeditions all over the place!
Solved. :)
I'm not up to speed on the latest abduction talk, but the ones I've read sound more like a psychedelic trip than a positive NDE. There must be quicker routes to peace, love and understanding than whisking random folk to the mothership for some mind-altering content.
I just want to add from a personal experience of mine recently with 5-MeO-DMT where I was 'out' for over an hour when usually these trips last 15 minutes or so. That dimension is so beyond description, but UFO's, bending spoons and martians making pancakes is just about the only way to describe how sublime, beautiful, and, lets not forget, funny, it all is.
Hi Cactusland,
Can I ask you a question? Ok, I mentioned above that many UFO and NDE people report heightened PSI abilities after their experiences.... do you know if DMT users report the same thing as a consequence of their DMT use?
Peace.
The idea that psychedelics can facilitate psi is not a new thing.
This book is recommended in the video.
https://www.amazon.com/Antipodes-Mind-Phenomenology-Ayahuasca-Experience/dp/0199252939
Both the video and the book describe psi experiences as a result of psychedelic use.
Anyway, I've been a freak ever since. The first thing that started to break me down was, "if I could be wrong about telepathy and it really does exist, what else have I dismissed that might be real???" I've been searching ever since.
The idea that psychedelics can facilitate psi is not a new thing.
I just KNEW that everyone was connected telepathically all of the time and anytime we pretend to be someone we aren't or put on airs or lie or backstab -- there is a plane of existence where it's so obvious. Laughably obvious. We think we're getting away with something and we're just not. I laughed a huge belly laugh at how silly we are. I've tried to be as authentic a person as I can be ever since.
what it does do is radically change people's outlook and create permanent change. Think of it this way, the most profound and spectacular NDE (I've never had one but have read about and heard about many), my experience was on that scale or more. I really, really, really, didn't want to come back, I had made it to the other side, but, eventually, I did come back, and that gradual return to this dimension explained so much about our limitations.