KindaGamey
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Well brace yourselves everybody... we've seen the sugar-coated breath mint version of UFO disclosure, here comes the pain/FEAR:
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I don’t know much about this Delong thing. Is it true that he believes that there are evil aliens who we will need to blast out of the sky with nuclear weapons? I read that was his stance. Tell me it isn’t true. It’s laughable.
Considering they have employed the former director of the "Skunkworks" at Lockheed Martin, that sounds like a very profitable opinion doesn't it? All they need is for congress to think the sky is falling and it'll rain cash.
Well brace yourselves everybody... we've seen the sugar-coated breath mint version of UFO disclosure, here comes the pain/FEAR:
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Yeah I was rather taken aback by this today... not sure what to make of it.Well brace yourselves everybody... we've seen the sugar-coated breath mint version of UFO disclosure, here comes the pain/FEAR:
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May I suggest this link for you, David? https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Prophet_YahwehGreat - that should be easy to test!
David
I don’t know much about this Delong thing. Is it true that he believes that there are evil aliens who we will need to blast out of the sky with nuclear weapons? I read that was his stance. Tell me it isn’t true. It’s laughable.
There is a two-fold nature to the threat. First of all, you’ve got these Advanced Aerospace Vehicles flying around that we don’t know where they come from, who’s driving them, what the intent is – possibly off-world even. But the future threat, was actually as far as the Department of Defense went and the intelligence community, one of the greater concerns. What happens if potential adversaries achieve significant breakthroughs by getting hold of advanced technology either based on their study of the phenomena, or from sensor data, or from crash retrieved materials? That could provide a problem for the United States in the sense of threat. There’s reason to be concerned about that. This is a document in the program we dug up out of the Soviet Union (“Thread-3”). It’s a very thick document. It shows that the Soviet Union had a massive program also trying to get to the root of all of this. In this document a number of research institutes and military institutes are listed. Of course, they had the same concerns we did. Is there a threat from the phenomena or might the Americans make headway before us and that be a threat?
Despite the progress in the AATIP program, let’s face it, the topic is inherently anomalous, right? Therefore, despite the reality of the observations and all the people that we interact with in the intelligence community and the Pentagon agree – the data is there, it is real. Nonetheless the topic doesn’t fit smoothly into known profiles of the government programs for sure. And by virtue of national security implications it’s a high compartmentalizational topic, therefore a slow pace of cumulative progress and integration. We call ’em “stovepipes.” You have a lot of people with lots of detailed information about some particular aspect, but they don’t talk each other even if it is sitting at the next desk. And let’s face it, advocacy of this issue in government circles is not viewed as career enhancing in part because, despite the weirdness of the subject, if you don’t make a lot of progress, you know, it doesn’t look good on your resume that you’re moving up the line.
So, because of that, there’s a forward story. Many of us involved in the program decided that there should be an outreach program in the public sector. So this is the forward story. The goal was to establish a broad-based, high-quality scientific community-of-interest in the public sector concerning these Unidentified Aerial Phenomena and other related leading-edge topics. And so we got together and formed a company called, To the Stars Academy of Arts and Science. It was cofounded by entrepreneur Tom DeLonge – I’ll talk about him in a minute – senior intelligence officers from the Department of Defense and CIA and distinguished research scientists. We all banded together to form this academy. It was set up as a public benefit corporation so the public can invest and therefore it’s owned by the public. So this is something new. Whatever comes out of any of the research or any of the releases of information is actually going to be owned by the public. It is not going to disappear into a black hole. A very transparent structure, if you go to the website you can see everything from the financial structure to the activities, and we do have a web-based community-of-interest where things get posted. For example, the F-18 FLIR tape I showed, we now have three of them up there and probably more to come.
Alright, who are the principals of this organization? Tom DeLonge, Blink 182 rock star. Frankly, I’d never heard of Blink 182, but my son told me, “Oh yeah, we know about Blink 182.” But anyway, in addition to being the rock star that he is, he’s also a director and producer, puts out books and music and film and so on, and he’s had a lifelong interest in the UFO area. So, he started talking with various people and he was kind of the I guess you could say the action-oriented person, who said “Why don’t you set up something. Why don’t we make this more available to the public?” and he got to a number of us, and so we all began to band together. ...
So, the goals for the To the Stars Academy are to,
So, we want to act as the glue in the public sector and create entertainment properties, books and documentaries and so on so whatever is learned can be delivered out to the public.
- Promote the concept that such forefront topics as UFOs, SETI, consciousness studies, even telepathy and psychokinesis should not be considered taboo for serious scientific consideration. So, it’s a perfect match to the SSE because that’s our goal in the SSE as well.
- And of course, big ideas that generate funding to underwrite significant research in these areas
- Develop user friendly data bases so information that is generated can be accessed by anyone
- Provide positive support for collaborative government, aerospace industry, and academic efforts to accomplish all of the above.
The structure of the organization has a science structure, an aerospace structure, and an entertainment division. What are the activities of this organization to date? Actually we were responsible for legitimizing the topic in the mainstream press. That story that came out in The New York Times and so on, which then got picked up by the Washington Post, CNN, Fox News, was based on agreed-upon interviews with those of us I’ve just gone through a list of. And given the quality of sources coming out from the shadows, for example Ex-Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, top F-18 pilots, significant Department of Defense and intelligence community officials, the bar has been raised on the legitimization of this topic in the public arena. We think that’s an accomplished goal to date.
Okay, what did I [Hal Puthoff] address as a subcontractor? One of the critical issues there’s so much high-level security and compartmentalization in this subject area, and there’s a lot of it, it’s difficult for contractors to obtain expert opinions on advanced technologies because they would expose why they are interested. So, I acted as a surrogate. I was contracted to commission mostly unclassified whitepapers from experts around the globe about where their particular subject areas would be in (the year) 2050 as like a general survey of aerospace futures. I decided this would be the best way to get the best knowledge we had across many technologies without actually exposing why we wanted to know.
So, I let out 38 contracts over a two-year period. I’ll show you what the studies were on. You can read them there: positron aerospace propulsion, IEC fusion as a compact energy source, warp drive, dark energy, extra dimensions, metallic glasses for aerospace use. Really cutting edge kinds of things.
Here are some more of the papers that I commissioned: negative mass propulsion, antigravity for aerospace applications, programmable matter, invisibility cloaking – these are just the kind of things that we needed to have maximum technical input from the best people around the globe. And so, that’s what we did, that’s what I did.
Now we could wait, we told these people they could publish their reports in physics journals and engineering journals, but of course the contractors didn’t want to wait for that, so the Defense Intelligence Agency bundled up these 38 papers and put them out as Defense Intelligence Reference Documents posted on a JWICS server that anyone in the government or contractors could get access to. By and large they have not been released to the public yet; a couple of them leaked out.
So let me give you an example of, how this stuff helps people who are chasing these really difficult problems. I’m choosing one here: metamaterials for aerospace use. I’d love to talk about really fancy materials, but they’re classified. However, there’s a lot of materials that have been picked up or provided even in the public domain. I’m going to give an example because it shows exactly what the structure is for how to deal with this. This is an open source sample. It was sent anonymously to talk show host Art Bell. The fellow claimed to be in the military. He said that this sample was picked up in a crash retrieval, and so he sent it by email. So what does that mean? Chain of custody non-existent. Provenance questionable. Could be a hoax. Could be some slag off of some foundry floor or whatever. However, it was an unusual sample, so we decided to take a look at it.
It was a multilayered bismuth and magnesium sample. Bismuth layers less than a human hair. Magnesium samples about ten-times the size of a human hair. Supposedly picked up in the crash retrieval of an Advanced Aerospace Vehicle. It looks like it’s been in a crash. The white lines are the bismuth; the darker areas are the magnesium separations. So the question was what about this material, so naturally we looked in all the national labs, we talked to metallurgists, we combed the entire structure of published papers. Nowhere could we find any evidence that anybody ever made one of these.
Secondly, some attempts were made to try to reproduce this material, but they couldn’t get the bismuth and magnesium layers to bond.
Thirdly, when we talked to people in the materials field who should know, they said we don’t know why anybody would want to make anything like this. It’s not obvious that it has any function.
Well, years later, decades later actually, finally our own science moves along. We move into an area called metamaterials, and it turns out exactly this combination of materials at exactly those dimensions turn out to be an excellent microscopic waveguide for very high frequency electromagnetic radiation terahertz frequencies. So, the wavelength is 60 microns, which is a pretty small size. But it turns out because of the metamaterial aspect of this material, those bismuth layers that act as waveguides can be one twentieth the size of the wavelength, and usually when you make a waveguide it’s gotta be about the size of the wavelength. So, in fact this turned out to be a material that would propagate sub-wavelength waveguide effects. Why somebody wants to do that we still don’t know the answer to that.
But anyway, it’s amazing we’ve gone through this and this is the kind of structure we go through a lot. You get a material sample with unusual characteristics to be evaluated, the method of manufacture is difficult to assess or reproduce, the purpose of the function is not readily apparent – as with our sample here, and then as our own technical knowledge moves forward we finally see a possible purpose or function comes to light. That sequence is repeated over and over in this particular area.
Why does DeLonge say "soon" instead of giving a date or time frame?
Why does he say good news and bad news instead of saying what the news is?
What more do you want?
So any person who may have a wish to see a UFO may quite magically get to see one
Well one individual isn't quite the same as "any person who may have a wish to see a UFO"!May I suggest this link for you, David? https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Prophet_Yahweh
So tempted to call it StatanismIt's church for Statism.
I'm transsexual, but I don't do much about it. I known it from at least age 3-4. It's a real thing and feels biological; i tend to go with the hormonal womb environment theory. I'm left handed and have the "female" digit ratio. I dislike how the right uses us as the current poster child of declinism. They tend to be flippant and not particularly knowledgeable about the subject. Still, I don't blame them their resistance; there's a ton of nonsense from the left on the topic. When I was coming up, transsexuals were a tiny and distinct, separate from crossdressers and fetishists. Now that distinction seems to have gone away, so you have a lot of weirdos covered under the umbrella "transgendered." When I see a mannish looking transwoman in some garish outfit, I feel the same way as the typical right-winger. It's uncomfortable, and no amount of brain-washing would make me think otherwise.
There are also a lot of fakes and attention whores, including I suspect a majority of the young crop you see online. I'm also skeptical of anyone who suddenly realized their gender dysphoria in their 20s and beyond. If it's real, you feel it very early. I'm not a man, but wouldn't claim to be a woman either. "Woman" should be reserved for the folks with the biology and lived experience. Transpeople should stay out of gender-specific sports. If someone invented a gender-swap booth, I'd be first in line, but I'm equally sure that in short order I'd be missing a lot of the social advantages of being male.
But back to the topic. I'm not a conspiracy theorist. Oswald acted alone; planes took down the towers, and we lifted off our spherical planet to land on the moon in 1969. I also believe the government hides what it knows about UFOs and corporatists manipulate through their control of lawmakers and the media.
You say social media shaming showcases the power of the mob, but social media is mostly a playpen for the masses to squander their creative energy on narcissistic trifles. virtue signaling and yelling past each other over religious issues. It offers no threat to the power of elites at all, and in fact plays right into their strategy of divide-and-conquer.
It doesn't really take many people to manipulate the experiences of large masses of people. If say you wanted to keep your fellow citizens material-minded, you don't have to have a meeting of 10,000 cabalists. You just need money and a bit of smarts.
Apologies for the ramble....it's late and I'm short on sleep.
Again, I don't think humans are able to usefully process this much info at such a fast pace and divorced from normal social cues (like body language, tonal inflection) and normal social responsibilities and consequences (e.g. normally wouldn't say that because might get a broken jaw). I think there is a fundamental bio/social/spiritual/evolutionary gap between our human abilities and what the tech can do (and is doing).
If the government starts making definite statements that ETs exist, it will be proof that they lied in the past. Why should we believe an admitted liar on the subject they have been lying about for around 70 years?
I was convinced long ago that ETs are here because of reports by experinecers. If that's not good enough for other people, there are statement by astronauts and high ranking government and military officials.
All I want is a taxi.
The testimony for all these phenomena is totally overwhelming. I think a HUGE reason why so many disbelieve is because they don’t take the time to listen to experiencers. Now, with the internet, we are able to hear hundreds of thousands of people telling their stories. People who are emotional and sincere. People who are credible. People who lost a lot and were ridiculed. Military, state, government officials on and on and on. I’m the same as you. I think I have a good bullshit detector, and it was listening to testimony which caused me to believe in these things. The testimony in all of these areas would easily be enough in a court of law to convict any man of any crime.