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The general opinion is that NDErs are seeing "heaven," but that ignores the unpleasant experiences. And so forth.
~~ Paul
Certainly not my opinion.
The general opinion is that NDErs are seeing "heaven," but that ignores the unpleasant experiences. And so forth.
~~ Paul
You mean you consider the publisher's choice of title for Alexander's book to be representative of "the general opinion"? I think you've picked another sample size of one.The whole exercise is cherry picking. The general opinion is that NDErs are seeing "heaven," but that ignores the unpleasant experiences. And so forth.
~~ Paul
You mean you consider the publisher's choice of title for Alexander's book to be representative of "the general opinion"? I think you've picked another sample size of one.
What is your opinion then?Certainly not my opinion.
As to the topic at hand; who ends up having an NDE seems so random that I don't know that anything can be concluded from how long a given person was out for the count.
I can't speak to such traditions; my point was that there's no discernible pattern as to who gets an NDE and who doesn't. That someone was on the slab for hours and woke up with no memories of an experience says nothing about the phenomenon.Aren't there various traditions that suggest the soul lingers near the body for a few days?
My initial first brush reaction to the little NDE research I've examined is we can't glean much more from NDEs than something interesting and potentially immaterial is going on, though I understand some people have examined the commonalities and compared them with the accounts of mediums and OBE/astral travelers?
I absolutely agree with the bolded. And there is plenty of analysis of NDEs and their common elements. I think such analysis tends to make so much out of the broad similarities that it overlooks major differences in the details, be they cultural or person-to-person (example: one notable NDEr claims she was told that there was no reincarnation, others say they know reincarnation happens for a fact).
I don't know if it lends evidence towards mind=brain. I think it lends evidence to the fact that she didn't have an NDE.
well then what happened to her consciousness while she was lying there dead? It just decided to stick around for a bit?
Do not you see? She could have an experience and not being able to remember it, or have no experience because her brain was still functioning even to suppress it.
This is purely conjecture I'm afraid.
This is purely conjecture I'm afraid.
well then what happened to her consciousness while she was lying there dead? It just decided to stick around for a bit?
I honestly haven't studied NDEs in depth. So I don't really have a strong opinion on them. I'm intrigued that there are many similar accounts. I've been reading books on Tibetan dream yoga lately and they have their own ideas on what happens immediately following death. I would be interested to read what they have to say and compare that also to the NDE. Tibetans also have strong ties to reincarnation, of course.What is your opinion then?
As to the topic at hand; who ends up having an NDE seems so random that I don't know that anything can be concluded from how long a given person was out for the count.
I honestly haven't studied NDEs in depth. So I don't really have a strong opinion on them. I'm intrigued that there are many similar accounts. I've been reading books on Tibetan dream yoga lately and they have their own ideas on what happens immediately following death. I would be interested to read what they have to say and compare that also to the NDE. Tibetans also have strong ties to reincarnation, of course.
Or maybe it's the "astral plane" they are experiencing as some clairvoyants and esotericists claim. This includes the whole spectrum of emotional content from heavenly to hellish.The whole exercise is cherry picking. The general opinion is that NDErs are seeing "heaven," but that ignores the unpleasant experiences. And so forth.
~~ Paul
Parnia is now suggesting that everyone probably has the experience but the majority somehow forget it due to the effects of drugs used etc. That makes sense to me because we are all the same basically. After a good number of sherberts (drinks) I can't remember lots of things that I did or experienced whilst under the influence.
As to the Japanese woman, did Parnia meet her to ask her ? Don't think so.... but what about Joe Tiralosi ? He was dead for nearly an hour and he remembered an encounter from that period (or as the sceptics will have JUST BEFORE or JUST AFTER :) . Better still, Ward Krenz under the ice for an hour or so, dead as a doornail the doctor described him as being a cadaver ( which I will provide in another link if anyone doesn't believe me)
http://www.keloland.com/newsdetail.cfm/sf-mans-brush-with-death/?id=0,65853
Again, the argument could still be raised that this was occurring when the brain was coming back online.