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    What Most People Fail to Understand about the Concept of Free Will

    This assumes a hard separation, in the organism at least, of cosmic principle, by gnosis and action. As if, when acting in holistic structures completely constellated by and comprising itself, and as the one and only operant power of said structures, it cannot also know what informs its action...
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    What Most People Fail to Understand about the Concept of Free Will

    What is this "how" Paul? Please give me an example of a first cause that has a "how" explanation attached to it. Until you can perceive that isn't the right question, there can be no answer given.
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    What Most People Fail to Understand about the Concept of Free Will

    I do agree with you Laird, though in my own defense I should say that I did try to make it clear that the "President module" scenario can in no sense be taken as the real situation. It is simply a computer-esque model intended to show that, within that model, the "President" need have no...
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    What Most People Fail to Understand about the Concept of Free Will

    No. The world is certainly not a model. Many things can be abstracted to a model, but there are usually losses in the abstraction. Or the drift in these events is so low that one can only become aware of them by monitoring large scale events, as in the Global Consciousness Project. Or else the...
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    What Most People Fail to Understand about the Concept of Free Will

    Ah, a model. I said real-world deterministic. I think the action of cosmic will is always "uncaused" if by this is meant things *coerce* the choice moment itself among the choices available. I don't know if nuclear decay is truly without rhyme or reason, or not, but since self-organization as...
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    What Most People Fail to Understand about the Concept of Free Will

    Dead page. And I don't know what you think pure randomness is, or what evidence you deduce for it. The mutations could only have organized consequences by means of cosmic will, and mutations are simply changes in structures generated by cosmic will. It doesn't need to "choose mutations"...
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    What Most People Fail to Understand about the Concept of Free Will

    I see no evidence that chaotic systems are real-world deterministic. Why are you trying to figure this out, when our conversation was originally about the role of open-ness. I think it is bedrock of both choice and a self-organizing principle that begets all form...real or imagined. Native...
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    What Most People Fail to Understand about the Concept of Free Will

    Well, it's not irrelevant Paul, because the point I was replying to is that the initial conditions in chaotic systems produce the same results...no they don't, not in the real world. They only do this in pseudorandom simulations, which is a pretty good indicator that such simulations do not...
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    What Most People Fail to Understand about the Concept of Free Will

    Well no, they don't. I'm not talking about a simulation,which is pseudorandom and of course produces the same results. Okay, I still don't recognize this category of "decoupled." It's part of the same stack. But you changed the nature of the question. The original discussion was about...
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    What Most People Fail to Understand about the Concept of Free Will

    But isn't one of the principles of chaotic dynamics that given identical start conditions (a chaotic pendulum over a magnet for instance) you *cannot* predict the outcome. I suppose it could always be argued that the initial conditions could not be made absolutely identical and so forth, but I...
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    What Most People Fail to Understand about the Concept of Free Will

    Right. And probably not I think. What do you mean "operational relationship"? Why is being hit by a high energy source not "operational" on the DNA. No...I was talking about how pseudorandom *cannot* be a proper representation of evolution because there is no non-fated-component anywhere in...
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    Are "hellish" transcendent states just as objectively real as "mystical" states?

    Bill, if one takes seriously the idea of collective mental atmospheres, then all the epic output of the human imagination, including all the dark stuff, must "end up somewhere." The key question, imo, is whether persons (ex corporeal, assuming these to exist) "inhabit" such states and in a sense...
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    What Most People Fail to Understand about the Concept of Free Will

    No...what I mean is the unfurling of certain cloud patterns in the sky, for example. They can't be deterministic if a non-fated component (let's use that generic term for "true randomness" on your part and "cosmic will" on mine) contributes to their appearance. Sorry I don't see that at all...
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    What Most People Fail to Understand about the Concept of Free Will

    yeah...on second thoughts I'm not sure I buy into the case that chaotic patterns are determinate. I have no idea what "plenty random" means. I also don't know what you mean by "decoupled from evolutionary processes". I thought those were the "evolutionary processes" in a pseudorandom...
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    What Most People Fail to Understand about the Concept of Free Will

    The difference between what and what? That's deceptive (I don't mean by you). Because to simulate evolution, you are in effect claiming to make a determinstic process (a simulation algorithm running by determinism) stand in for a true process in the actual (indeterministic) universe in which...
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