Trump Consciousness

I am an Australian citizen although I did have an interest in American politics, not so much anymore. I think it's just a horse and pony show. It doesn't really matter who you vote for as long as there is a private group of banking cartels independent of government control controlling your money.

I once supported him based solely on his non interventionists policies, I then saw a video entitled "Trump is the Swamp" (that you can no longer find), showing all the "people" he had surrounded himself with. I then had my doubts. Then the very next day he bombed Syria on yet another "Trumped" up bunch of lies, no investigation what so ever. Then there was the lies regarding Saudi Arabia, look how that turned out! Nah lets arm them instead. And what about what is currently happening in Yemen? This is on full display yet people forget these things so quickly. It seems America doesn't care as long as they are the ones not getting bombed! OK I know that is not true, but it certainly;y looks like it doesn't it?

All this regime change while preserving the most oppressive regime of all, such hypocrisy! Are people really this blind? He is doing just fine for the military industrial complex and the unholy alliance with Saudi Arabia and Israel. Why else blow out the military budget if you weren't intent on using it? Yeah Israel, do we want to open that can of festering worms? That is my litmus test for a presidential candidate. But of course you won't get to be a candidate unless you bow to Israel.

My opinion is that he is a puppet for the banks, the real profiteers of war. How else could he repay except sell your soul?

"We made the decision he would be worth more alive to us than dead" - Alan Pomerantz, Lawyer representing the 72 banks who Trump owed some 4 billion dollars in the 90's

Interview at about the 3 minute mark.


I'm sure to cop flak for this, but really... You are not free, and you can't vote your way out of it. Presidents come and go but when it comes to the empire things just keep on keeping on. It's all just a show.
 

Comedian Terrance Williams know Trump is not a racist.
"I love President Donald J. Trump"
"But when they attack him, they are attacking us. Because he is out there fighting for us."


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First of all I just want to say, I love President Donald J. Trump. The media is attacking him. But when they attack him, they are attacking us. Because he is out there fighting for us. And they are harassing you Mr. President so they are harassing me. I want to say one more thing here, a while back President Trump said when he was talking to the black community, "If you vote for me what do you lose because the do nothing Democrats have done nothing for the black community". 2020 is around the corner and we have a lot to lose now because President Donald J. Trump has done so much for the black community. Thank you President Trump.
 
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And your point is..Jim?
Can you provide any examples that show how Trump has actually benefitted the black community? Because despite what this one star-struck individual has to say (and we must allow for stockholm syndrome) I suggest that the majority of Americans would disagree.
Trump's assertion that they have "nothing to lose, because the do-nothing Democrats have done nothing for the black community" does not amount to a Republican promise to actually do something for them. As we know, Trump makes many false, misleading or unverifiable claims, insults people from different ethnic backgrounds and takes credit for "doing more for African-Americans than any other president has been able to do" Quote Philip Bump Washington Post journalist "Abraham Lincoln, Dwight Eisenhower and Lyndon Johnson were not available for comment"
Here's a broad view of the outcome of Trump's perceived perspective on 'People of Colour'

WILOAJ5E4ZE3BPAPRTODSIZDPE.jpg
 

Comedian Terrance Williams know Trump is not a racist.
"I love President Donald J. Trump"
"But when they attack him, they are attacking us. Because he is out there fighting for us."


1:01
First of all I just want to say, I love President Donald J. Trump. The media is attacking him. But when they attack him, they are attacking us. Because he is out there fighting for us. And they are harassing you Mr. President so they are harassing me. I want to say one more thing here, a while back President Trump said when he was talking to the black community, "If you vote for me what do you lose because the do nothing Democrats have done nothing for the black community". 2020 is around the corner and we have a lot to lose now because President Donald J. Trump has done so much for the black community. Thank you President Trump.

It does seem that whether you love or revile Trump depends entirely on where you draw your information about him. It is apparent that there are two irreconcilable POVs at such odds they look as though they are different realities - one bizarro and the other proper.

How this situation came about seems to go back to Trump in 2015/16 when he made it plain to an assembled throng of media the he was setting up a loathing and distrust of them so when they expressed adverse opinion, his fans would not believe them. Its on YouTube somewhere - and folk who know that world better than I do will find the video.

In the lead up to the 2016 election a substantial number of Republican candidates considered Trump unfit for office - so unfit they, and others, did not imagine he would be elected. Many turned when he became the nominee. Thereafter the world divided into passionately pro and anti Trump. These passions have broken marriages and friendships.

Obviously, to both sides, the other side believes as it does because it has been manipulated, lied to and conned. On each side there is a fountain of information and argument and opinion dedicated to the proposition that Trump is the bst thing since sliced bread or the anti-Christ made flesh.There seem to be no soft opinions from anybody who has put in the time and effort to follow the drama. You love him or loathe him.

I don't love Trump. I am not an American, and I have no investment in domestic politics. But the US President is usually touted as 'the leader of the free world' - an idiotic conceit that too many people submit to. So, allowing that POTUS is considered the LOTFW, we foreigners observe each election of POTUS with a mixture of alarm and amusement.

It seems that the Trump Derangement Syndrome (TDS) infects the rest of the planet as well - in its proper and it bizarro form.

I do not think that Trump is fit for office as LOTHFW. I find that prospect deeply disturbing. Apparently I have TDS - seduced by a massive socialist conspiracy that works through Fake News to spread lies and deny truth. To me that allegation is utterly bonkers. To be honest I don't know whether it live in the Proper Reality or the Bizarro Reality. But I do know I am grateful I am not in the other.
 
And your point is..Jim?
Can you provide any examples that show how Trump has actually benefitted the black community? Because despite what this one star-struck individual has to say (and we must allow for stockholm syndrome) I suggest that the majority of Americans would disagree.
Trump's assertion that they have "nothing to lose, because the do-nothing Democrats have done nothing for the black community" does not amount to a Republican promise to actually do something for them. As we know, Trump makes many false, misleading or unverifiable claims, insults people from different ethnic backgrounds and takes credit for "doing more for African-Americans than any other president has been able to do" Quote Philip Bump Washington Post journalist "Abraham Lincoln, Dwight Eisenhower and Lyndon Johnson were not available for comment"
Here's a broad view of the outcome of Trump's perceived perspective on 'People of Colour'

WILOAJ5E4ZE3BPAPRTODSIZDPE.jpg
Gee Alice, there's a lot of unreasonable bias here and a strong divide. Republican white men with no college degree versus Independent democratic black white women with college degrees. Its obvious who the socialists are. And the poll is conducted by an obviously Marxist university!
 
Gee Alice, there's a lot of unreasonable bias here and a strong divide. Republican white men with no college degree versus Independent democratic black white women with college degrees. Its obvious who the socialists are. And the poll is conducted by an obviously Marxist university!
Our culture is based on divisive, unreasonable bias. It is black&white thinking (described by Edward de Bono) and found in our educational, legal and political structures. So we become segregated, deny the truths of each others views and fail to collectively reach a cohesive truth. Divided, they rule, in other words.
 
I am an Australian citizen although I did have an interest in American politics, not so much anymore. I think it's just a horse and pony show. It doesn't really matter who you vote for as long as there is a private group of banking cartels independent of government control controlling your money.

I once supported him based solely on his non interventionists policies, I then saw a video entitled "Trump is the Swamp" (that you can no longer find), showing all the "people" he had surrounded himself with. I then had my doubts. Then the very next day he bombed Syria on yet another "Trumped" up bunch of lies, no investigation what so ever. Then there was the lies regarding Saudi Arabia, look how that turned out! Nah lets arm them instead. And what about what is currently happening in Yemen? This is on full display yet people forget these things so quickly. It seems America doesn't care as long as they are the ones not getting bombed! OK I know that is not true, but it certainly;y looks like it doesn't it?

All this regime change while preserving the most oppressive regime of all, such hypocrisy! Are people really this blind? He is doing just fine for the military industrial complex and the unholy alliance with Saudi Arabia and Israel. Why else blow out the military budget if you weren't intent on using it? Yeah Israel, do we want to open that can of festering worms? That is my litmus test for a presidential candidate. But of course you won't get to be a candidate unless you bow to Israel.

My opinion is that he is a puppet for the banks, the real profiteers of war. How else could he repay except sell your soul?

"We made the decision he would be worth more alive to us than dead" - Alan Pomerantz, Lawyer representing the 72 banks who Trump owed some 4 billion dollars in the 90's

Interview at about the 3 minute mark.


I'm sure to cop flak for this, but really... You are not free, and you can't vote your way out of it. Presidents come and go but when it comes to the empire things just keep on keeping on. It's all just a show.
As you may be aware, I am one of President Trump's biggest fans on here. This all happened while you were on Sabbatical, so let me start at the beginning.

I first became aware of Donald Trump from the BBC, as a rather quirky individual who had joined the race to be Republican candidate more or less as a joke. Every snippet of his speeches sounded deranged, but I was puzzled as to how it was that he gathered such large crowds. Since the crowds were poor, I also could not understand why they were so keen on his plan to get rid of Obamacare.

Then, at a UKIP conference, I saw a man who was wearing an outsized T-shirt with a huge picture of Trump's face! We talked for about 3/4 of an hour. He explained that the BBC only broadcast snippets of his speeches to make him sound deranged. I realised how stupid I had been, because they did the same thing with UKIP, and anyone else they choose to dislike. This guy told me to listen to his speeches on YouTube to get a better idea of him. He described Trump a leading the US equivalent of the British UKIP party (now effectively morphed into the Brexit party). Above all, he insisted that he was a man of peace. I never hunkered down to listen to the collected speeches of Donald Trump on Youtube(!!), but I discovered that Fox News showed clips of the most relevant parts of his speeches, in some sort of context.

Here was a candidate for President who was campaigning to stop his country's endless wars in the Middle East, and try to settle things with Russia.

Well despite the BBC's protestations that he was totally unsuitable to the job, and that his latest non-PC utterance (there were many) must have ensured he would not win the Republicans primary race, and then that a racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic candidate could not possibly actually win, there he was being sworn in and taking over the White House! Pundits on the BBC explained that he would become bored by the job, and would probably resign in a few weeks.

(Hint adjectives like 'Racist' used to be given with reasonable evidence of the trait, now they are used on their own, where they become essentially meaningless.)

All went well until those Syrian gas attacks on defenceless civillians, when Trump went ballistic, and seemed about to start WWIII because he had seen the pictures of child victims. This was a repeat of what had happened under Obama, who had famously declined to cross his own red line to re-ignite the war in Syria, but Trump was taking the bait. What was worse, most of us here had realised that those gas attacks were obviously faked or inflicted by the rebels to try to make the US attack the Syrian regime - not least because they always took place when the Syrian regime was doing well. RT took it for granted that this was the explanation, and there were several other hints. Jim, and I both wrote pieces denouncing President Trump.

The tension seemed almost as bad as it had in the Cuban Missile Crisis, and my partner and I shared a bottle of wine with our Saturday evening meal in a very sombre mood. Nigel Farage - another Trump fan, had also disowned him. Then the following morning, I got up to see what had happened. There had been one attack with a large number of cruise missiles, and the President had already said that was the end of the matter. RT confirmed the attacks, but said there were no significant casualties (there may have been none at all, I am not sure) - the whole thing had been pre-arranged with the other side, and empty airfields had been attacked. The funny thing was that even the NeoCons realised that they had better keep quiet, after the fear of the previous few days, nobody actually wanted to object that WWIII hadn't been triggered!! As the reality sank in, President Trump rose massively in my estimation - he had out-played the NeoCons and we still had peace. To cap it all, there was a second fake gas attack a few months later, and Trump played exactly the same trick, and it worked a second time. Interestingly, I think there was a third attempt to perform the same outrage, but Russian intelligence passed the details over to RT, who broadcast them. These specified that chlorine had been brought into a particular region by some devious route, and various 'specialists' were sent to make sure it worked well. Had it ever become known that these attacks had been arranged by the NeoCons to pull the US back into the conflict, the NeoCons would have been undoubtedly sentenced to death for murder+treason so they backed off.

I think Trump's recent unexpected order to withdraw troops was also related to this - he knew that if he had pre-announced his plan, he might have endangered yet more civilians.

I agree with him on Climate Change, he seems to have reduced unemployment which helps poor people, and he has reduced the flow of migrants from Mexico by putting pressure on that country. - I remain a fan of Trump the President, and I sincerely hope and expect he will run a second term.

Thanks to anyone who ploughed through all that!

David
 
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Trump is suing CNN for (see p.3) "...compensatory damages, treble damages, punitive damages, injunctiver relief, reimbursement of legal costs and all other available legal and equitable remedies, to the maximum extent permitted by law."

The letter says, (p3) "Your Actions are in violation of the Lanham Ace (15 U.S.C. S 1051 et seq.), among other applicable laws, by constituting misrepresentations to the public, your advertisers, and others."

 
I have lived in many places on the planet (am in Costa Rica today by the way). I have experienced very little racism in my experience. I have a few theories why. A.) I don't do racism... I always assessed the risks I would take that involved others based on what I perceived to be in their heart and what appeared to be their capacity to reasonably consistently lead with their heart. So because the concept behind racism doesn't intersect with my operational assumptions and protocols, I sense that I exude that which is perceived by others as "decency" (not racism) and my theory is that it is hard to be racist towards a decent person for those who may see color and/or other external characteristics or externalized views and/or behaviors that some like to groupify and castigate B.) I have found that those who scream the loudest regarding racism show all too many signs they struggle with soul sicknesses themselves. Its far easier to point fingers than to be honest with oneself about oneself much less then do something about it.

So is Trump a racist? Something in that question suggests the one asking the question might do better by looking into their own heart. For if someone thinks someone else is racist, that means they believe in such a thing and to believe in it is what gives it the power to make its appearances.

Stop feeding the monster.

Don't "do racism" means "don't give it life, don't give the dynamic any life."
 
And your point is..Jim?
Can you provide any examples that show how Trump has actually benefitted the black community? Because despite what this one star-struck individual has to say (and we must allow for stockholm syndrome) I suggest that the majority of Americans would disagree.
Trump's assertion that they have "nothing to lose, because the do-nothing Democrats have done nothing for the black community" does not amount to a Republican promise to actually do something for them. As we know, Trump makes many false, misleading or unverifiable claims, insults people from different ethnic backgrounds and takes credit for "doing more for African-Americans than any other president has been able to do" Quote Philip Bump Washington Post journalist "Abraham Lincoln, Dwight Eisenhower and Lyndon Johnson were not available for comment"
Here's a broad view of the outcome of Trump's perceived perspective on 'People of Colour'

WILOAJ5E4ZE3BPAPRTODSIZDPE.jpg

Some things many folks know about polls but especially Trump polls - they are skewed by the way the questions are asked and skewed by imbalanced polling which is asking unrepresentative portions of the population questions.

Also, in the environment of today, people lie on polls. They say what they think is the wisest thing to say with regards to what then might happen to them after they answer based on how they answer. Many don't want to have their answers added to the profling many believe is being done by many types of organizations from social media to government agencies and the like.

Polls mean little these days... just like almost all mainstream media means little these days. Too many folks have been fooled by this sort of crap for too many years now.
 
Ohhh and what's really starting to emerge is this... A true, three party system.

The Democrats (anywhere from radical left "Democrat" to moderate and establishment "Democrat" with fewer and fewer of these latter two by the day)

The Trumpublicans

And the establishment Republicans (fewer and fewer of these every day)
 
There is just one Democratic candidate that sounds at all reasonable to me - Tulsi Gabbard - and Hillary Clinton has already condemned her as a 'Russian asset'. Remember, she is a military combat veteran. She has actually talked about the endless wars - Syria, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc etc. I don't think she spelled out the list, but that is what Trump is talking about. Why the hell does the US need to be either at war or close, all of the time? Why can't the rest of the world be left to run its own affairs?

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ga...gainst-assertions-that-she-is-a-russian-asset

(Read the text, not the video at the top of the page, but watch the video lower down, where she is interviewed by Tucker Carlson)

David
 
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I expect we'll see some more positive moves, such as pulling troops from Syria, seeing them arrive home in full fan fare makes for good propaganda The fact the empire started the whole mess and also armed the terrorists will be again drowned out. There's going to be an election of course. Then we'll be back to business as usual. You gotta throw a few bones to get favor, they know the public has a short attention span and use it to brilliant advantage.
As you may be aware, I am one of President Trump's biggest fans on here. This all happened while you were on Sabbatical, so let me start at the beginning.

I first became aware of Donald Trump from the BBC, as a rather quirky individual who had joined the race to be Republican candidate more or less as a joke. Every snippet of his speeches sounded deranged, but I was puzzled as to how it was that he gathered such large crowds. Since the crowds were poor, I also could not understand why they were so keen on his plan to get rid of Obamacare.

Then, at a UKIP conference, I saw a man who was wearing an outsized T-shirt with a huge picture of Trump's face! We talked for about 3/4 of an hour. He explained that the BBC only broadcast snippets of his speeches to make him sound deranged. I realised how stupid I had been, because they did the same thing with UKIP, and anyone else they choose to dislike. This guy told me to listen to his speeches on YouTube to get a better idea of him. He described Trump a leading the US equivalent of the British UKIP party (now effectively morphed into the Brexit party). Above all, he insisted that he was a man of peace. I never hunkered down to listen to the collected speeches of Donald Trump on Youtube(!!), but I discovered that Fox News showed clips of the most relevant parts of his speeches, in some sort of context.

Here was a candidate for President who was campaigning to stop his country's endless wars in the Middle East, and try to settle things with Russia.

Well despite the BBC's protestations that he was totally unsuitable to the job, and that his latest non-PC utterance (there were many) must have ensured he would not win the Republicans primary race, and then that a racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic candidate could not possibly actually win, there he was being sworn in and taking over the White House! Pundits on the BBC explained that he would become bored by the job, and would probably resign in a few weeks.

(Hint adjectives like 'Racist' used to be given with reasonable evidence of the trait, now they are used on their own, where they become essentially meaningless.)

All went well until those Syrian gas attacks on defenceless civillians, when Trump went ballistic, and seemed about to start WWIII because he had seen the pictures of child victims. This was a repeat of what had happened under Obama, who had famously declined to cross his own red line to re-ignite the war in Syria, but Trump was taking the bait. What was worse, most of us here had realised that those gas attacks were obviously faked or inflicted by the rebels to try to make the US attack the Syrian regime - not least because they always took place when the Syrian regime was doing well. RT took it for granted that this was the explanation, and there were several other hints. Jim, and I both wrote pieces denouncing President Trump.

The tension seemed almost as bad as it had in the Cuban Missile Crisis, and my partner and I shared a bottle of wine with our Saturday evening meal in a very sombre mood. Nigel Farage - another Trump fan, had also disowned him. Then the following morning, I got up to see what had happened. There had been one attack with a large number of cruise missiles, and the President had already said that was the end of the matter. RT confirmed the attacks, but said there were no significant casualties (there may have been none at all, I am not sure) - the whole thing had been pre-arranged with the other side, and empty airfields had been attacked. The funny thing was that even the NeoCons realised that they had better keep quiet, after the fear of the previous few days, nobody actually wanted to object that WWIII hadn't been triggered!! As the reality sank in, President Trump rose massively in my estimation - he had out-played the NeoCons and we still had peace. To cap it all, there was a second fake gas attack a few months later, and Trump played exactly the same trick, and it worked a second time. Interestingly, I think there was a third attempt to perform the same outrage, but Russian intelligence passed the details over to RT, who broadcast them. These specified that chlorine had been brought into a particular region by some devious route, and various 'specialists' were sent to make sure it worked well. Had it ever become known that these attacks had been arranged by the NeoCons to pull the US back into the conflict, the NeoCons would have been undoubtedly sentenced to death for murder+treason so they backed off.

I think Trump's recent unexpected order to withdraw troops was also related to this - he knew that if he had pre-announced his plan, he might have endangered yet more civilians.

I agree with him on Climate Change, he seems to have reduced unemployment which helps poor people, and he has reduced the flow of migrants from Mexico by putting pressure on that country. - I remain a fan of Trump the President, and I sincerely hope and expect he will run a second term.

Thanks to anyone who ploughed through all that!

David

I once thought as you do Dave, I only care about US foreign policy, it really looked like this was going to be the guy. But hey! I can admit that he fooled me. He is a master of the deal as he claims after all. Everything I liked about him turned out to be a lie.

The Syria business is simply because it has been a complete failure, and nothing else. They started the mess in Syria, killed god knows how many, . There is nothing to praise here. They should have pulled out years ago. War is business and it is the average person who is picking up the bill, bleeding the American people and generations to come. Parents get to welcome home their kids in caskets draped in patriotism. Veterans are discarded and commit suicide on a far greater scale than any casualties. No matter, plenty of poor to feed the cannon.

Right now the death toll in Yemen is off the charts! Why no regime change for Saudi Arabia?

Trump is a Zionist. It is laughable how the media is so obsessed in foreign meddling, yet Israel is the never mentioned. Collusion? Trump might be a tough guy but he bends over for Israel. Trump complains about giving aid to other countries but never the biggest leech of all.
Check it out. https://fas.org/sgp/crs/mideast/RL33222.pdf

All to support apartheid, occupation and genocide. Spilling Americans blood for their wars and the greater Israel Project. Why else do you think the US are there? It is not to save anyone! Make no mistake, the US is Israels bitch! Just try and criticize or raise this issue formally and see what happens, you are not allowed to criticize your masters. The US Government was infiltrated long ago. Hell many are dual citizens. A blatant conflict of interest, you can bet their priorities are Israel first. They are master propagandists that is why the average person does not realize this, but it is a fact. As was said before it all comes down to what information you have. Granted this is not all about Trump but he is towing the line.

Love ya Dave, don't take it the wrong way, I can certainly see Trumps appeal but we have to look at the big picture. To be fair it was like this before him and it will be like this when he is done.
 
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