Lance Mungia, Third Eye Spies, What’s Behind Remote Viewing Disclosure? |434|

That's it. That's the exact "it."

It also may interestingly tie to the key reason JFK was assassinated and all that leads us through "Watergate," Iran/Contra, 9/11 and now...[
not sure I follow this? especially since the mafia was so deeply involved with the JFK thing... as well as with the sexual blackmail of J Edgar Hoover ( with all the interest link backs to Jeffrey Epstein)... very worldly stuff.

That's the key to it all... "the alien presence" as E. Howard Hunt told Douglas Caddy just before he went to prison (taking the fall as a true CIA lifer would so do).[/QUOTE]
can you please explain or provide a link?
 
Who were Scientologist? Serious question. I'm not familiar with a clear through-line from JPL to Stargate or SRI. Unless you are just referring to them being part of the military-industrial-aerospace complex, in which case I'm not sure how you can smear them all as Scientologist. Edit: My question was answered below. Scientology tech does a lot of people good, it isn't all rubbish, even if the organization is awful and the whole thing was started essentially as a scam.

That aside, this still seems like a naive cartoon of the Parsons/Hubbard connection. For one, Crowley thought Parsons and Hubbard were fools.

"It is not good talking about Frater 210 coming over. He has got under the influence of a person whom I believe to be an ordinary Con Man; at any rate he is acting quite insanely, and as far as I can see, both deceitfully and dishonourably. I am still waiting to hear whether the adverb “dishonestly” should not be added to this list. In any case he would not come, because, — O curse these people who have no ideas of their own and can do nothing but pick up my ideas and try to put them into operation without in the least understanding them or knowing how to bring them to success! — apparently he, or Ron or somebody, is producing a Moon Child.
I get fairly frantic when I contemplate the idiocy of these goats. (I apologise to goats.)"
http://blazingstar-oto.org/gradymcm.../06141946-aleister-crowley-to-grady-mcmurtry/

Second, Parsons was never a Scientologist - Hubbard ran off with Parsons' wife long before he started Scientology. Any speculation about Parsons' interest in the occult influencing NASA is just that, pure speculation.

I think it is fair to say that without Parsons' interest in the occult he probably would have had the inspiration necessary to lead to the discoveries he did and the course of world history could be greatly different. That doesn't mean Scientology or OTO is secretly directing NASA programs.
https://www.topsecretwriters.com/2018/09/hal-puthoff-scientology-destroy-career/
How Hal Puthoff Let Scientology Destroy a Promising Career

- more in upcoming interview with dr. hugh urban from OSU
 
This was a great conversation! One of my favorites in a while! You added a lot to what the film provides whereas the other interviews I've heard with Lance were rather dull and mostly rehashes of what is in the documentary.
thx. pissed him off a bit, but worth it :)
 
you have human beings who, at one level, are on a “same page” albeit and in most cases, on different tiny regions of that same page… yet at another level of their being, they share political views that are polarized (Dem / Repub… Left / Right…, etc.) yet also… they may also be religiously/spiritually different such as fundamentalist / spiritual in a new-agy way / atheist / non-dualist, etc.
I get yr point... the other thing about this is that it further entrenches these guys in the "continuity of gov" thing... i.e. we can go ahead and circumvent the tattered remnants of the constitution because our purpose transcends this petty administration.
 
IDK a lot of times people post straight away without having listened to the show which is kind of pointless

You brought up the subject, inviting replies from people who don't like you podcasts, so please don't be offended that I am replying. I mean this post in a constructive way not as a personal attack - I'm just telling you my views. Other people might have different views. I don't claim to be any authority on podcasting, I am just giving my opinions - there is no reason for you to be offended ....

I would listen to more of your podcasts if you let your guests talk about what they know best instead of trying to force them into categories that you select that reflect your world view, biases, and personal interests. Ask them open ended questions about their area of expertise, (ie what they want to talk about not what you want to talk about), and then just let them talk. I am interested in the subject matter but ... (please don't be offended) ... but not interested your spin or what you think is your expertise. I wish you would try to be an objective journalist rather than an editorial writer.

Look at the transcripts on skeptiko.com. You do way too much talking. If I am going to spend 1 hr listening to a podcast I don't want 30 minutes of it to be listening to you.

Often when you have a guest that I am particularly interested in, I will look on youtube to see if they spoke at a conference and I will listen to their lecture instead of your podcast. That always works much better for me.
 
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Loved the show, Alex.

The problem we have with the ET issue is that we bring to it all of our own experience of what we think reality actually is, we can't help it. We say that they must be traveling vast distances, we assume they have evolved biologically. We also separate biological from spiritual. When we are in fact are spiritual beings ourselves but we don't actually think it. We are bringing all of our own baggage to the question.

This reality is our construct, our sense of space and time. We think that we are separate things existing in a objective universe that would be the same as it appears to us if we were not here at all. This is the reason why it is so perplexing to us. We don't get it because we don't really understand reality.

When we say extended consciousness, this sort of implies that our consciousness reaches out into a objective universe in some way. You see even with that simple notion, we separate ourselves from everything else. If consciousness is the fabric of existence, we are not truly separate from anything else, we just perceive that we are.

ET is only different to us in the way of conscious perception, we are actually made of the same stuff as them, consciousness. Vastly different but still the same. We are only having a human experience, but it is not who we really are. For them to interact with us they have to come down to our level. They manifest into what we perceive as the physical and they apparently manifest the means as well, . Except the craft will also be conscious.

This is why I think Ben Rich, apparently, when asked how UFO's work he replied "How does ESP work?"

And why one of the biggest blockages for us and ET technology is the material science. It is literally a materialization.

This is not to say that there are not biological beings that would be far beyond our levels of intelligence and technology. There is more likely a spectrum, but this separation of this and that is our own perception.

The SETI initiative is entirely looking in within our own perception of space and time. I think the are looking in the wrong place.

Just food for thought. This is what I got from my experiences some years back, so I can't say this is actually how it is for sure. It could all be a creation from my subconscious.
 
I would listen to more of your podcasts if you let your guests talk about what they know best instead of trying to force them into categories that you select that reflect your world view, biases, and personal interests. Ask them open ended questions about their area of expertise, (ie what they want to talk about not what you want to talk about), and then just let them talk.
Agreed - this is the ideal way to interview people. Also, I would say to Alex, make a plan (ideally with he guest) for each interview, so that subjects are introduced in a logical order.

David
 
thanks. I appreciate that it's difficult make a movie of this quality. Lance had a story to tell and had to do it in an entertaining way. he did a great job on both counts.

but there's a lot more going on with Stargate... and I can't help but feel that we've all fallen asleep at the switch. some things to ponder:

- these guys were Scientologist... I mean back in the day Parsons Aleister Crowley in the desert summoning the Antichrist Scientologist. ensure they all said they left the movement and I have no reason believe them not to believe did the link between Scientology an intelligence organizations lingers in the Wind :)

- Sidney Gottlieb MKultra. I have no reason to believe that Russell targ wasn't sincere regarding his to dislike of Gottlieb, but that doesn't change the fact that Stargate fell under the MKUltra umbrella.

- I keep coming back to Grant Cameron and the Wilbert Smith memo... all about ET... all about mental "phenomena." I mean, really, how can it be otherwise... the reality/presence of ET changes everything
http://www.cufon.org/cufon/foia_006.htm
 
You brought up the subject, inviting replies from people who don't like you podcasts, so please don't be offended that I am replying. I mean this post in a constructive way not as a personal attack - I'm just telling you my views. Other people might have different views. I don't claim to be any authority on podcasting, I am just giving my opinions - there is no reason for you to be offended ....

I would listen to more of your podcasts if you let your guests talk about what they know best instead of trying to force them into categories that you select that reflect your world view, biases, and personal interests. Ask them open ended questions about their area of expertise, (ie what they want to talk about not what you want to talk about), and then just let them talk. I am interested in the subject matter but ... (please don't be offended) ... but not interested your spin or what you think is your expertise. I wish you would try to be an objective journalist rather than an editorial writer.

Look at the transcripts on skeptiko.com. You do way too much talking. If I am going to spend 1 hr listening to a podcast I don't want 30 minutes of it to be listening to you.

Often when you have a guest that I am particularly interested in, I will look on youtube to see if they spoke at a conference and I will listen to their lecture instead of your podcast. That always works much better for me.
I've been pretty clear about the purpose of the show... it's my journey shared with others. take what you like and leave the rest. I'm happy to issue a refund if you like :)

but come on, you're usually the first person to jump on the Forum and post stuff on shows you haven't listened to.
 
The problem we have with the ET issue is that we bring to it all of our own experience of what we think reality actually is, we can't help it. We say that they must be traveling vast distances, we assume they have evolved biologically. We also separate biological from spiritual. When we are in fact are spiritual beings ourselves but we don't actually think it. We are bringing all of our own baggage to the question.
I was totally with you on all of this until :)

ET is only different to us in the way of conscious perception, we are actually made of the same stuff as them, consciousness. Vastly different but still the same. We are only having a human experience, but it is not who we really are. For them to interact with us they have to come down to our level.

first off, we don't know if this is true. but secondly, we seem to be getting a lot of evidence not the case. the whole good ET vs bad ET ( a topic that I'm talking with Richard Dolan and Ray Hernandez about) challenges this idea.

Why don't you come join me project?
 
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Agreed - this is the ideal way to interview people. Also, I would say to Alex, make a plan (ideally with he guest) for each interview, so that subjects are introduced in a logical order.

David
thanks David... and thanks for your many other tidbits of advice over the years. please know that I appreciate the feedback and am constantly thinking about the form, style, and content of these interviews. rest assured that I've made a conscious decision to do things a certain way and have already incorporated in all the advice I've been given :)
 
thanks David... and thanks for your many other tidbits of advice over the years. please know that I appreciate the feedback and am constantly thinking about the form, style, and content of these interviews. rest assured that I've made a conscious decision to do things a certain way and have already incorporated in all the advice I've been given :)
Well I think Jim, and Runic (since deleted) were trying to make the same point. Michael Larkin made a similar point a little while back. You find great guests, but then you don't let them really expound about what they want to say. After they dry up, would be a good point to start to pick apart what they had to say.

David
 
Well I think Jim, and Runic (since deleted) were trying to make the same point. Michael Larkin made a similar point a little while back. You find great guests, but then you don't let them really expound about what they want to say. After they dry up, would be a good point to start to pick apart what they had to say.

David
first off, not sure this discussion belongs in this thread. secondly, it's mildly annoying when people like Jim Post in Forum threads they haven't listened to the show. I'm not going to ban him or get mad at him but you noticed I usually don't respond to anything that he posts because it's ususally pretty clear that he hasn't listened to the show and is just what about his own stuff. that's his business not mine.

thirdly, at the risk of repeating myself, or maybe saying the same thing in a different way, I respectfully disagree with your opinion. I've heard this same b******* about interrupting people for the last 10 years. I'm not interested in letting people babble on about s*** that isn't important. I'm usually pretty nice about it but sometimes I lose it a bit like with David Mathisen... but even in that we had a long discussion about it in the Forum thread from that show and I stick by my approach to the interview... i.e. I love David's star myth Theory and I think it's an awesome contribution, but I'm not willing to let him on and on about Gilgamesh... especially when he's the one who contacted me and asked to come on for a second time.

So I guess I'm suggesting that you take what you're saying and turn it into a post about this episode. what specifically did you want to hear Lance talk more about?
 
I was totally with you on all of this until :)



first off, we don't know if this is true. but secondly, we seem to be getting a lot of evidence not the case. the whole good ET vs bad ET ( a topic that I'm talking with Richard Dolan and Ray Hernandez about) challenges this idea.

Why don't you come join me project?

The same stuff being consciousness. Didn't say they all must be moral or immoral. There is evil within us as well, we have saints and serial killers. There are malevolent spirits and beings of light. Polarity is just part of the deal.
 
The same stuff being consciousness. Didn't say they all must be moral or immoral. There is evil within us as well, we have saints and serial killers. There are malevolent spirits and beings of light. Polarity is just part of the deal.
I agree but I think when we say "they're coming down to our level" we may be heading in the wrong direction
 
I agree but I think when we say "they're coming down to our level" we may be heading in the wrong direction

I'm not sure I get what you mean. From the underworld perhaps? as in being dark entities? That would be one way of looking at it I suppose.
But not the way I was intending. I was suggesting that our state of our reality is connected to our level of consciousness. They would have to move to a lower frequency in order to enter our perceived reality.
 
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not sure I follow this? especially since the mafia was so deeply involved with the JFK thing... as well as with the sexual blackmail of J Edgar Hoover ( with all the interest link backs to Jeffrey Epstein)... very worldly stuff.
That's the key to it all... "the alien presence" as E. Howard Hunt told Douglas Caddy just before he went to prison (taking the fall as a true CIA lifer would so do).
can you please explain or provide a link?

This is a very high level bullet point list of facts and suppositions and reasonable speculation: (links will be to various sources, some of which are notorious for providing info/disinfo).

First, consider what Mungia stated with regard to what he had been informed in relation to the importance/secrecy of the UFO phenomena... [paraphrased] - "more secretive, more important then the H-Bomb." This suggests the time frame of this as near the end and just after WWII... keep this in mind.

Fact: WWII ends and Operation Paperclip begins (if it had not begun already prior to the official end).

Fact: John Kennedy (JFK), probably due to James Forrestal's relationship with his father, Joe Kennedy, invited JFK to go with him on the trip to Germany in the summer of 1945 (note Paperclip was "formally approved" in August of 1945).

Supposition: First you have "the crashes" (Missouri 1941) and finally "Roswell" (which was several crashes in the New Mexico region of the US around roughly the same time).

Reasonable Speculation: Forrestal, as Secretary of the Navy, which had a cabinet level position until the establishment of the Secretary of Defense, would likely be privy to the "UFO" evolving picture. Based on significant documentation (news reports, diaries), it seems likely that Forrestal and JFK had established a relationship whereby JFK may have learned for the first time of the "UFO phenomena."

Fact: Soon after Roswell, you have the National Security Act (creating the NSC and the CIA) which came into law one day after James Forrestal became the first Secretary of Defense.

Supposition: Majestic 12 (MJ-12, MJ12) came into being via executive order (by Truman) around this same time.

Fact: US Naval Intelligence was (and probably still is) the lead military branch regarding all things "UFO."

Supposition: Project Blue Book (US Air Force) was likely meant to be, more than anything, the "official UFO investigative military front" for the purpose of providing distraction and info/disinfo dissemination "for management of public perception."

Supposition: Forrestal was a founding member of MJ12. Forrestal was a strong proponent of "going public about UFO."

Fact: Forrestal, being an opponent of much of Truman's policies, and in consideration of Truman's discovery that Forrestal had met with Truman's 1948 presidential rival, Thomas Dewey, where an agreement was reached where Forrestal would continue as Secretary of Defense, Truman "asks Forrestal to resign" (fired him) in early 1949.

Fact: Forrestal experiences a "mental/emotional breakdown" on the same day he tenders his letter of resignation. Hospitalization occurs - a Naval doctor placed in charge who sent him to the National Naval Medical Center in Bethesda, Maryland where instead of being located on the first floor (where cases such as his were housed) he was placed on the sixteenth floor. (Even Wikipedia casts doubt on the "official cause of death" which actually does not conclude suicide. See Here.

Speculation: JFK was aware of UFO. JFK's interest continued through his rise to the presidency.

Supposition: MJ12, the "military-industrial complex," Paperclip ex-Nazi's involvement with what became NASA, compartmentalized areas within the CIA, all grow in power and control over the "publicly perceived" US Government, that "the people" elect their leaders, and that the leaders are fundamentally doing the bidding of the people and what they are doing is discoverable and thus known to the free press and thus known to the people.

Supposition: Eisenhower and his realization that he's "not in charge" - Eisenhower threatened to invade Area 51 with the First Army out of Colorado. - Note there's an video of a "deathbed confession" in the link provided (22 minutes) - suggesting MJ12, et al. were running this show, not a US president (at least from the perspective of the US and the US Government goes... maybe further... ie. cooperation in certain matters with intelligence agencies /defense departments / non-US bases private military research and development corporations and/or multi-national corporations involved in R&D and yet private and thus perfect for SAPs and black within black project management / protection.

Another interesting "item" raised by this "deathbed confession" is the operation on US soil of someone "in the CIA."

Now let's get to the meat...

Fact: JFK is elected President taking office in January of 1961. JFK has a few private conversations with Eisenhower (could UFO have been discussed? Could "the military-industrial complex" have been discussed?) Recall the famous farewell address of Eisenhower. Kennedy attempts to take control back of the CIA (well documented). In my opinion, if you don't consider "the possibility" that elements of the CIA (which includes current (at that time) and former (at that time) "employees" of the CIA, as well as current and/or former "contractors" as well as current and/or former "friends, associates, beneficial relationship parties" of the CIA) had a hand in the assassination - perhaps playing a key "operational and/or coordinating role" in the operation - is to be naive.

Nothing has been covered, written about, investigated in the last 56 years more than the JFK assassination but understand, there's potential fact, potential accurate supposition, potential erroneous conclusions and potential intentional info/disinfo in all conclusions drawn from these investigations and in my opinion, all "finger pointing" articles, books, videos related to the Kennedy assassination are, to me, all playing a part within an overall "perfect way" to deal with it whereby the actual reasons can never be determined. Many people hated and/or feared Kennedy (like they do Trump today for example because he wasn't under control of the "actual government" some of us "suspect" exists whereby I believe it all began as I have been suggesting up to this point and all because of "UFO" and the alien presence." I believe there were many, many reasons Kennedy had to be stopped albeit fear of an "unwalkbackable" UFO disclosure is, in my opinion, the "principle reason." But also... where a case could have been made if it all came out, that the decision to do so was actually done legally (yes... I know that will come across as ludicrous to suggest... but read on).

Fact: Allen Dulles is named CIA Director in 1953 and "fired" by JFK after "the Bay of Pigs" fiasco in late November of 1961.

Supposition: Dulles was made MJ1 sometime prior to Kennedy's election as President. Dulles also represented a tight group within the 12 of six other MJ12 participants. In addition, there is documentation (refuted by the FBI as "bogus") that there was a "license to kill" anyone who was concluded to be a real threat to "outing" UFO/ET. The document known as "Project Environment" which was written cryptically and for obvious reasons. See that link and it will be understood.

Supposition: JFK "pillow talk" with Marilyn Monroe didn't help JFK any as the information she gathered was written in a well known "red diary" that somehow had been "disappeared" for years where only fragments here and there somehow emerged years later. Some suspect the missing fragments mentioned Kennedy sharing about his "supposed" visit to a US military base where he had been shown the bodies of aliens. Recall Monroe's threat to reveal some "embarrasing content" from her written recollections. Recall her interesting death. Recall the speculation Bobby Kennedy and his contacts with the LAPD may have played a role.

Supposition: Kennedy had been (behind the scenes) working to wrestle control of "UFO/ET" away from the governmental powers that were controlling it (MJ12 / and elements within and around the CIA) - see this memo and commentary.

Supposition: Kennedy may have planned to form a joint effort with the USSR focusing on "the threat" perceived to exist related to UFO/ET. The MJ12/"military industrial complex"/CIA elements were ideologically opposed to such and it can be reasonably speculated the possibility of reverse engineered "alien artifacts from crashes" could have been perceived to provide this group a significant advantage over the Soviets. Thus we have another reason MJ12 could be concerned with the maverick, JFK.

If indeed, as Alex mentioned to Lance Mungia... specifically this -
thing in the United States government? I met with vannevar bush who we now know is like super connected right guy and he mentions all these other guys who are the guys that you’d want to know? He says it’s hot more secret than the hydrogen bomb and then he reveals a tiny little tidbit that ties into your story.

Speculations: Note that Vannevar Bush (not related to the Bush political family by the way) was, along with Forrestal, one of the original MJ12. Note also the H-Bomb (the Big Nuke) was being developed during Truman's presidency. Edward Teller was known as "the father of the hydrogen bomb" and was also a part of MJ12 (not the original group but appears sometime near 1953). The point here being that though the Wilbert Smith memo and Project Magnet did not become public until years later (during Nixon?) it all started in 1950, thus at the time the hydrogen bomb was well under development.

So now I will create a Part 2 post which will lay out the theory some hold with regards to the bigger picture from those early days up until today - "...and all that leads us through "Watergate," Iran/Contra, 9/11 and now..."

It also may interestingly tie to the key reason JFK was assassinated and all that leads us through "Watergate," Iran/Contra, 9/11 and now...

That's the key to it all... "the alien presence" as E. Howard Hunt told Douglas Caddy just before he went to prison (taking the fall as a true CIA lifer would so do).

Regarding all of the above, I want to mention one reference - a book by Michael E. Salla entitled - Kennedy's Last Stand: Eisenhower, UFOs, MJ-12 & JFK's Assassination.

It is important to note that Salla blew up his reputation within a few years after he published this book. My theory as to why he did so is because his Kennedy's Last Stand book went way too far and so his "throw in" with the clown show that emerged within the UFO research community starting in 2015. That is a very important part of this overall story but I won't go down that path at this time as it diverts from the "part 2" part of Alex's question which I will provide in my next post.

One last comment - If anyone thinks JFK was assassinated by order and/or action of just one interested party... I suggest one shouldn't just settle on that which appears the easiest (most logical or most obvious) party to point to. Open up to the possibility there be a large yet loosely (and in some cases, barely) connected series of relationships whereby it can be easily understood that individually (and/or individual groups) of each of these specific parties had their reasons for wanting Kennedy out of power... and perhaps permanently.
 
Precisely - unless remote viewing had been a total dud - which it clearly wasn't - why would they close down such a program?

David

The program was never shut down. It moved from the DIA (which is where it started; not with the CIA) to the CIA, and there it has remained under other names.

I really enjoyed this interview despite the usual America bashing and conspiracy theory mumbo jumbo from Alex. Lance is a level headed guy with the correct perspective, which he expressed very well especially toward the end of the interview.

Also, sometimes it's really remote viewing and sometimes it's not. When it's not, it could be to misdirect from capabilities and assets that we don't want others to know we have.
 
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