Anneke Lucas, Recovering From Unimaginable Evil |441|

do you think there's any possibility that these extended realms are interacting with these folks... they are explicitly asking for assistance from entities in the extended realm... are these entities lending a hand?
I really can't say, it's a bloated question not in the sense you asked it wrong or anything. What exactly is an entity to an individual person? For me one thing I said when I studied the occult and magick was don't work with the GODS or spirits. With that said I questioned more people who were more versed in their practice and some had different answers, some answers overlapped. One answer I got is that these entities are only real in the sense of how much energy, thought characteristics are put in to the entity, a collective imprint from the unconscious, these entities have polarities and are not just pure good or evil. One thing I picked up was some entities can be trickster entities, I never understood what they meant as I was an atheistic pagan and still am. They preached to be careful working with these energies and even angels had a polar dark side because if you summon something to this realm it has to play by the rules of this realm, an angel couldn't be pure like the popular notion is.

Now as I said I never worked with the gods or spirits, you could my craft was mostly study meditation and nature. Some believed the wind or water fire earth were entities. Your imagination gives the entities forms from what I understood and they become personal archetypes to work with in your subconscious. But like I said the verbiage was the same but how they interpreted it was unique to themselves.
The interesting thing was my teacher vocally expressed he preferred atheistic pagans

I guess to simply say is that you bring forth energies buried deep in the collective unconscious and when brought forth your cultural upbringing with have a part in defining it.
 
Your questions parallel my own. She’s made a career of this, how does that happen?

because every famous person on any given day has a small army of kooks accusing them of all sorts of things and some of the kooks have persistent delusions. So the famous person learns to ignore the kooks. It's just goes with the territory. And because the allegations are not true.
 
because every famous person on any given day has a small army of kooks accusing them of all sorts of things and some of the kooks have persistent delusions. So the famous person learns to ignore the kooks. It's just goes with the territory. And because the allegations are not true.

If their accusers can make a living out of defaming them, it’s in their best interest to confront them. Loads of folks don’t trust their government b/c of these accusations, so they dismiss not only their accusers, but the millions in their audiences who believe them, whether it’s true or not.
 
Huxley outright says the powerful need to use mind control, mesmerism, drugs, etc. to most effectively maintain their power (i.e. easier to let people love their servitude versus using 'the club/prisons')..

Nah. Just consciously scripted TV, fake news, net flicks, youtube and social media

How programmable are humans? I think very much so. Easier to conform inside the desolate landscape of materialist scientism versus be marginalised as a loon who believes in the potential of 'pseudoscientific' concepts such as soul, orgone, chi, electrogravitics, etc.

Yes. very much so for the most part.

And I think you have been programmed by your fringe group leaders. They seek to isolate you and control you.

There is no reason to be feel marginalized as a "loon" or anything else because you believe in a soul or chi. In fact, surveys continue to show that the majority of Americans believe in a soul, the afterlife, spirits, etc.

What is stopping you from holding those beliefs and having a successful life, well integrated into society with groups of friends? I don't see anything. Doesn't stop me.

Also, as far as all of this mind control stuff goes, what is your vision of society (genuinely curious)? 300 million people just running around like a gigantic heard of cats with no purpose in common? How would that work? So if we even introduce an idea like patriotism, all the fringe people freak out and call BS on it and say it's mind control. Working an honest day's work for pay? More mind control by the masters! religion? Sinister bastards turning us into zombies! Being happy with our families in our modest but comfortable and safe home? What a perfectly dreadful vision they are trying to put in my head!

What then?
 
If their accusers can make a living out of defaming them, it’s in their best interest to confront them. Loads of folks don’t trust their government b/c of these accusations, so they dismiss not only their accusers, but the millions in their audiences who believe them, whether it’s true or not.

There aren't enough hours in the day or other resources to address every crazy accusation. As soon as one accusation is addressed, 10 more are leveled.

You do not understand. Some of these accusations come from lone basket cases. Others come from organized groups using basket cases or more knowing operatives to deliberately undermine individuals, networks and even countries. It is not even necessary to actually contact the basket case. You just seed the airwaves with various notions and a certain percent of people will adopt the notions. Many people are truly challenged to perceive objective reality. They live in a twilight zone between fantasy and reality.

Everyone here likes to talk about psi-ops, but they, at best, only see and accept one side of it - the side they are supposed to see and accept, by design, by the enemies of this country and its system. So the "elites" are murdering satanic pedophiles! Well, as you say, that undermines confidence and morale. It is deliberate. It's supposed to lead to the destruction of the country - and is having that effect.

I remember, in the days before the internet, Yasser Arafat wearing black panther and Che Guevera buttons on his fatigues and pledging solidarity with such movements. Arafat was provided arms by the USSR, who also coaxed such characters, globally, to become a unified front against the 'establishment" of capitalist countries. We do such things to their countries. These are deliberate well planned global alliances and ops.

People here think there are psi-ops and they're right. But they think those ops only go one way, from top of their own govt, down, and they can't imagine they themselves have been sucked into one that came from someone else.

Sometimes it's better to not see at all, than to see a distorted picture.
 
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There aren't enough hours in the day or other resources to address every crazy accusation. As soon as one accusation is addressed, 10 more are leveled.

You do not understand. Some of these accusations come from lone basket cases. Others come from organized groups using basket cases or more knowing operatives to deliberately undermine individuals, networks and even countries. It is not even necessary to actually contact the basket case. You just seed the airwaves with various notions and a certain percent of people will adopt the notions. Many people are truly challenged to perceive objective reality. They live in a twilight zone between fantasy and reality.

Everyone here likes to talk about psi-ops, but they, at best, only see and accept one side of it - the side they are supposed to see and accept, by design, by the enemies of this country and its system. So the "elites" are murdering satanic pedophiles! Well, as you say, that undermines confidence and morale. It is deliberate. It's supposed to lead to the destruction of the country - and is having that effect.

I remember, in the days before the internet, Yasser Arafat wearing black panther and Che Guevera buttons on his fatigues and pledging solidarity with such movements. Arafat was provided arms by the USSR, who also coaxed such characters, globally, to become a unified front against the 'establishment" of capitalist countries. We do such things to their countries. These are deliberate well planned global alliances and ops.

People here think there are psi-ops and they're right. But they think those ops only go one way, from top of their own govt, down, and they can't imagine they themselves have been sucked into one that came from someone else.

Sometimes it's better to not see at all, than to see a distorted picture.
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It is being done, e.g. in this forum. But in the wider society evil spirits are considered to be superstition. The Enlightenment, modernism and postmodernism rule. The materialist paradigm is predominant. But paradigms can be overcome, and we can be a part of that!
What is being done in this forum? I have no idea if people here are happy and successful.

As I said, most people in the world believe in spirits, etc. Who cares what "scientists" think beyond academic concerns?
 
What is being done in this forum? I have no idea if people here are happy and successful.

As I said, most people in the world believe in spirits, etc. Who cares what "scientists" think beyond academic concerns?
There's a quote I'm trying to find, it's either by Robert Anton Wilson or Alan Moore. I'm going to butcher it, but it basically says society is rudderless and there is no one big grand group controlling everything
 
Here it is
"The main thing that I learned about conspiracy theory, is that conspiracy theorists believe in a conspiracy because that is more comforting. The truth of the world is that it is actually chaotic. The truth is that it is not The Iluminati, or The Jewish Banking Conspiracy, or the Gray Alien Theory. The truth is far more frightening - Nobody is in control. The world is rudderless." ~ Alan Moore Art: Aaron Wolf
 
I really can't recommend that anyone "do the research" because it's kind of like staring into the abyss... but if you do you will find that, unfortunately, all the stuff is true.
I am trying to understand what you are referring to. Do you mean simply trying to imagine yourself doing something awful, or are you talking about some occult practice, or what?

David
 
There's a quote I'm trying to find, it's either by Robert Anton Wilson or Alan Moore. I'm going to butcher it, but it basically says society is rudderless and there is no one big grand group controlling everything

Exactly.

It is not human nature - and especially not the nature of ambitious people - to cooperate totally and indefinitely. Never has been and never will be. As soon as an alliance gains power, the members of the alliance begin to split into factions and to fight each other. It's a self controlling phenomenon. Roman emperors and kings throughout history have been assassinated by their closest "friends" and even family.

It is impossible for a single big grand group to control everything. This is even more true in the US where new millionaires and billionaires are created every year and old ones die or drop off the scene. There's a lot of class, political and socio-economic mobility in this country. Are we to believe that once you hit a certain income and/or status level you get forced into a secret meeting, pray to Satan and rape some kids? Come on man, that's crazy talk, but that's kind of what the conspiracy theorists would have us believe.

I actually grew up with wealthy families who's names you'd recognize. Their children were my close friends. I never saw any orgies or satan crap. Never heard of child molestation. In fact, these were ultra conservative blue blood types. Having an affair with a secretary was rare and as risque as it would get, but would ruin a reputation forever if someone was caught doing it.
 
Here it is
"The main thing that I learned about conspiracy theory, is that conspiracy theorists believe in a conspiracy because that is more comforting. The truth of the world is that it is actually chaotic. The truth is that it is not The Iluminati, or The Jewish Banking Conspiracy, or the Gray Alien Theory. The truth is far more frightening - Nobody is in control. The world is rudderless." ~ Alan Moore Art: Aaron Wolf

Yep. Some ambitious self-confident people with drive and resources try and then fail - or maybe build something - and then are replaced by the next individuals and networks that try and eventually fail and become replaced, over and over, generation after generation. Such is the bitter sweet - and sometimes brutal - tale of human endeavor on this people farm.

I mean, what are billionaires like Mike Bloomberg or George Soros trying to do with all of their influence campaigns? They're old and extremely wealthy. Why can't they leave us alone and enjoy what little time they have here? Well, they think they know how to do it better and they want to leave their mark. And people want to be led. Someone will come along to replace them that has a totally different vision. Info ops will smear the names of Soros and Bloomberg and glorify the names of whoever is useful or running the op. Groups of less well resourced people will form populist counter movements with their own propaganda. In between are the vast masses who are dullards who mindless absorb propaganda or those who are happy within themselves and care not for the propaganda of any of the factions. When was it ever different?

Tear down the old statues! Erect the new ones! The King is dead and though we once followed him, we hate him now. Long live the King!

Then there are countries that are militarily powerless against other countries and their respective governments fight via information and reality distortion. They undermine morale and beliefs. Your system is rotten and your leaders evil. Tear it down! It's not worth fighting for. Here are some ideas for a new system!

The human condition is more fighting and other forms of competition than it is cooperation. Vast enduring conspiracies are impossible. Temporary and limited ones, though, are ubiquitous.

That's on this physical world

On the other side of the sky, Zoroastrianism has it about right. That is the real conspiracy; truth versus lies, light versus darkness, happiness and peace of mind versus misery and confusion - we should pray for the wisdom to see clearly one from the other. The lies come in many forms and from many sources and with varying ability to deceive. This world, IMO, is a battle ground where the spirits slug it out and we are their avatars, but avatars that can chose which side we fight for, however imperfectly - because the spirits are us and we are them.
 
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There aren't enough hours in the day or other resources to address every crazy accusation. As soon as one accusation is addressed, 10 more are leveled.

You do not understand. Some of these accusations come from lone basket cases. Others come from organized groups using basket cases or more knowing operatives to deliberately undermine individuals, networks and even countries. It is not even necessary to actually contact the basket case. You just seed the airwaves with various notions and a certain percent of people will adopt the notions. Many people are truly challenged to perceive objective reality. They live in a twilight zone between fantasy and reality.

Everyone here likes to talk about psi-ops, but they, at best, only see and accept one side of it - the side they are supposed to see and accept, by design, by the enemies of this country and its system. So the "elites" are murdering satanic pedophiles! Well, as you say, that undermines confidence and morale. It is deliberate. It's supposed to lead to the destruction of the country - and is having that effect.

I remember, in the days before the internet, Yasser Arafat wearing black panther and Che Guevera buttons on his fatigues and pledging solidarity with such movements. Arafat was provided arms by the USSR, who also coaxed such characters, globally, to become a unified front against the 'establishment" of capitalist countries. We do such things to their countries. These are deliberate well planned global alliances and ops.

People here think there are psi-ops and they're right. But they think those ops only go one way, from top of their own govt, down, and they can't imagine they themselves have been sucked into one that came from someone else.

Sometimes it's better to not see at all, than to see a distorted picture.

This sounds really defeatist to me. So, we can’t figure out the pay-op, so we should just leave in the hands of the professionals? Why is it better not to see at all, than to see a distorted picture? After all, even without my glasses I can see a viper coming at me, even though it’s blurred. And if I mistook a branch for that viper 5 times in 10, isn’t that still better odds than not seeing it at all?

I don’t think all the cases of our politicians being involved in criminal activities is false, I have a library of books, and personal experience to back that up. Yes, my picture is distorted, but it’s better than nothing.
 
This sounds really defeatist to me. So, we can’t figure out the pay-op, so we should just leave in the hands of the professionals? Why is it better not to see at all, than to see a distorted picture? After all, even without my glasses I can see a viper coming at me, even though it’s blurred. And if I mistook a branch for that viper 5 times in 10, isn’t that still better odds than not seeing it at all?

I don’t think all the cases of our politicians being involved in criminal activities is false, I have a library of books, and personal experience to back that up. Yes, my picture is distorted, but it’s better than nothing.

Maybe the viper you think see is just a stick. Now you are fearful of nothing and your peace of mind is shot. Maybe the viper is really a gold necklace and you could have had a beautiful piece of jewelry worth much money.

I didn't say anything about leaving it to the professionals. Who are the professionals? Why would you trust a professional that is telling you to see vipers all around? Why do you care about Satan cults? Have you ever been threatened by one? I think most people have never encountered such a thing.

Figuring out the psi-op requires understanding and experience, but mostly self-discipline. really, anything that shatters your inner peace is some kind of psi-op, right? Someone quacking some nonsense at you that gets you riled up.
 
It is impossible for a single big grand group to control everything.

I don’t know anyone serious who is saying one single big grand group is controlling everything, yet this accusation is thrown out again and again. No one thinks “the Illuminati” is one cooperative family unit. It’s a culture of hierarchical abuse in order to promote a worldview of Feudal Oligarchy.
 
I don’t know anyone serious who is saying one single big grand group is controlling everything, yet this accusation is thrown out again and again. No one thinks “the Illuminati” is one cooperative family unit. It’s a culture of hierarchical abuse in order to promote a worldview of Feudal Oligarchy.

Who is running this culture of abuse and who is seeking this feudal hierarchy? Sounds like a single minded grand conspiracy to me with maybe a little jockeying for position on the margins tossed in to make it sound a little more realistic, but perhaps I'm misunderstanding you.

And what feudalism? Where I live people are free to go out and do their best and achieve all kinds of goodies. I see no feudalism.
 
hat is telling you to see vipers all around? Why do you care about Satan cults? Have you ever been threatened by one? I think most people have never encountered such a thing.

I’m threatened by one almost every time I look at media. Have you looked at some of these links, like the Vigilant Citizen one I just posted? That’s why I care about ‘Satan’. Yes, I could leave the modern world, quite easily actually, considering I live in the woods and raise my own food, but I’m concerned about the world I’m coming back to, or leaving behind, b/c I find it grotesque. Some day soon I probably will drop ‘all that’s Cesar’s’ but for now I still have the energy and inclination to fight back and to find like-minds and to warn future generations.
 
Who is running this culture of abuse and who is seeking this feudal hierarchy?
You forget, I look for patterns from the peasant class. How on earth would I know this? I read books, I’ve listed some of them, written by scholars, I align those with my personal experience where I can, and I come to the limited conclusions I am able to come to as a member of the peasant class.
 
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