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  1. Liberty

    Mod+ 234. GLOBAL WARMING, CLIMATE CHANGE AND OUR ILLUSION OF CONTROL

    Misunderstandings are to be expected because we are on opposite sides. We stereotype our opponents - then get pissed off when our opponents stereotype us. Our fight is surrounded by incomplete info and wrong assumptions and (often) deliberate misinformation. Do you remember that quote from...
  2. Liberty

    Mod+ 234. GLOBAL WARMING, CLIMATE CHANGE AND OUR ILLUSION OF CONTROL

    The cause of the warming mystery is not rhetorical - it has to be physical - but the only reasonable responses are all political. And no-one detests politics more than I do. But politics is an alternative to war. And even if we just ignore the warming mystery, it remains a physical fact that...
  3. Liberty

    Mod+ 234. GLOBAL WARMING, CLIMATE CHANGE AND OUR ILLUSION OF CONTROL

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zORv8wwiadQ
  4. Liberty

    Mod+ 234. GLOBAL WARMING, CLIMATE CHANGE AND OUR ILLUSION OF CONTROL

    If I can't mention that the skeptical scientists receive "speaking fees" from Exxon, then the skeptics should not be allowed to suggest that the mainstream scientists are "merely protecting their funding." And if it is NOT funding that motivates the mainstream scientists, then the skeptics...
  5. Liberty

    Mod+ 234. GLOBAL WARMING, CLIMATE CHANGE AND OUR ILLUSION OF CONTROL

    I nominate You, Ian, to write to Rick and John. You seem to have approached this discussion with an honest and agnostic mindset.
  6. Liberty

    Mod+ 234. GLOBAL WARMING, CLIMATE CHANGE AND OUR ILLUSION OF CONTROL

    There's been a 12% DECREASE of CO2 emissions in the U.S., in the last five years. The biggest drop came just last year - even as the economy grew. This is not spam from a conservative think tank; this is verifiable data from the unbought and unbiased U.S. Energy Information Administration...
  7. Liberty

    Mod+ 234. GLOBAL WARMING, CLIMATE CHANGE AND OUR ILLUSION OF CONTROL

    ------------------------------------- In 1968 I lived in a crappy little house in the foothills of Upland, in the upper right hand corner of this picture. We waited for "the Big One", when California would shake us all in to the ocean. And any time there was the slightest tremor - people...
  8. Liberty

    Mod+ 234. GLOBAL WARMING, CLIMATE CHANGE AND OUR ILLUSION OF CONTROL

    S'allright...(had a feeling i was talkin' to myself anyhow) It's okay, I work better alone. And I still really want to find out how a prudent yet proactive strategy toward possible global warming could ever harm my poor brothers and sisters. But no idea where to look. So..... I remember...
  9. Liberty

    Mod+ 234. GLOBAL WARMING, CLIMATE CHANGE AND OUR ILLUSION OF CONTROL

    Let's recap, shall we . . . ? I say: . . . . your skeptical position may be predicated on a mistrust of the government and a fear of conspiratorial forces beyond your control. . . And YOU say: . . . . that you loathe all the political parties and that they've all bought into the hype and they're...
  10. Liberty

    Mod+ 234. GLOBAL WARMING, CLIMATE CHANGE AND OUR ILLUSION OF CONTROL

    Of course. Perfect Knowledge is a cognitive tool we use in business when trying to decipher the most probable motive behind a series of contradictory and inconsistent input. I am not convinced that your participation in this discussion, and your questioning of the reliability of the...
  11. Liberty

    Mod+ 234. GLOBAL WARMING, CLIMATE CHANGE AND OUR ILLUSION OF CONTROL

    Michael, If you had access to Perfect Knowledge, such that you were personally certain that our amateur concens over the possible catastrophe of global warming were completely unwarranted, would you, at that same time, be in support of increased public investment in renewable and alternative...
  12. Liberty

    Climate Change podcast discussion

    Can't blame you. But this is all part of the mix - you won't escape it. Not the cherished ideologies nor the politics. (And you know when people start throwing shit at you it's only because they've run out of ammunition.) I don't think I agree with Alex on anything, but I still respect his...
  13. Liberty

    Climate Change podcast discussion

    Yeah, this hurts. I hate siding with the skeptics, but there's no way out of it. I've always accepted paranormal claims at face value because I refuse to declare that thousands of my fellow citizens are complete liars or frauds. And It beggars the imagination to think that 90 something...
  14. Liberty

    Skeptics asked not to post

    1.) The ability to travel backward in time. 2.) The ability to eliminate the uncertainty from an inherently probabilistic process. ??????? That's two impossible things before breakfast. Doesn't seem fair, does it ? Not when "susceptibility to random influences" is a fundamental feature...
  15. Liberty

    Apport???

    Sir, I really want to thank you for posting this - that is - the manner in which you posted it : without motive, hyperbole, or self-doubt. I do lots of repair work myself; and this kind of crap, these bizarre incongruities, happen to me frequently, and though I end up with the same feeling as...
  16. Liberty

    world-views and agendas

    Touché. But while I will grant you the larger point, I also remind you that my criticism involved empirical science, not the hypothetical-non-falsifiable-meta-theory-of-everything mathemadness that just so happens to be wildly supported by every materialist in any position of authority around...
  17. Liberty

    world-views and agendas

    C'mon Paul. Isn't it true, when you spend time at the zoo, some of the doo, rubs off on you, too? And isn't this YOU, embracing a little "woo"?: I didn't say that. The problem, really, is the way we do research in a capitalist society. No funding for wild ideas, only things that increase...
  18. Liberty

    world-views and agendas

    First - I'm gonna give you fair warning - your intention is to poke holes in flawed theories and in so doing, convert Proponents into Skeptics. You assume that Your logic is superior and so the odds are in your favor. You also assume that the Proponents have not already considered - and...
  19. Liberty

    world-views and agendas

    serious debate ? oh really ? . . . From the Pangea website : ____________ Their main problem, was that Wegener had no delivery mechanism for the active forces. . . . sound familiar ?
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