A PK DIY device

#2
I would say a psi wheel would be the place to start:

http://www.psiwheel.com/

Placed inside a glass housing this would have several advantages over the equipment described, as well as being a lot simpler.

Obviously if you sit very close to the thing, and move your hand a lot, there may be electrostatic or thermal problems to consider. However if you could get the wheel to move from a greater distance, and impose your will to make it go in a chosen direction, then that could open up some serious experiments.

The trouble is, I suspect, that it is difficult to summon up the will to practice at this for long.

David
 
#4
I would say a psi wheel would be the place to start:

http://www.psiwheel.com/

Placed inside a glass housing this would have several advantages over the equipment described, as well as being a lot simpler.

Obviously if you sit very close to the thing, and move your hand a lot, there may be electrostatic or thermal problems to consider. However if you could get the wheel to move from a greater distance, and impose your will to make it go in a chosen direction, then that could open up some serious experiments.

The trouble is, I suspect, that it is difficult to summon up the will to practice at this for long.

David
But just think if someone could demonstrate will over matter how that would finally cause academia to take serious notice.
 
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K9 posted this in another thread. This guy took the time.

He's got lots of other videos, like this one:
I find this topic interesting, though I wouldn't put too much weight on what is shown in a youtube video.

My instinct is that it is a lot like having a deliberate OOBE. That's something which seemed fascinating to me, but was unable to take it seriously until after I had my own experience (many years ago now). I seem to recall a forum member here writing about learning to spin a wheel - perhaps it's something which people might want to experiment with for themselves. A scrap of lightweight foil, a needle for a bearing, and a glass cover to block air currents is pretty simple equipment to put together..
 

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#7
I seem to recall a forum member here writing about learning to spin a wheel - perhaps it's something which people might want to experiment with for themselves. A scrap of lightweight foil, a needle for a bearing, and a glass cover to block air currents is pretty simple equipment to put together..
Did you actually watch the first video? That's what this person did. (He was inspired by a IANDS presentation by an NDEr who showed her post-NDE PK abilities with a psi wheel, btw.)
 
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#8
In none of these demonstrations should the demonstrator be in close proximity. Why might you ask? It's well known that psi abilities are not affected by distance so I've read and been told. The same results will be shown to happen at many feet away as inches away.
 

Ian Gordon

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In none of these demonstrations should the demonstrator be in close proximity. Why might you ask? It's well known that psi abilities are not affected by distance so I've read and been told.
Steve, did you watch the video? This guy is having all the normal skeptical doubts, and is going through them. At 11m55, he talks about how he decided to move at least several feet away.
 
#10
Did you actually watch the first video? That's what this person did. (He was inspired by a IANDS presentation by an NDEr who showed her post-NDE PK abilities with a psi wheel, btw.)
Sure I did. In fact I watched multiple of his videos. And a few by other people too.
There's also an interview on "we don't die radio":
http://sandrachamplain.com/sean-mcnamara-on-we-dont-die-radio-show/

But like I said, I also read books on out of body experiences. It remains pretty abstract until one tries it for oneself.
 
#12
Steve, did you watch the video? This guy is having all the normal skeptical doubts, and is going through them. At 11m55, he talks about how he decided to move a considerable distance away.
I did.
How do you know it's not heat from his body creating air currents inside the container? You don't. He moves farther away and it does not move as much, Why? He's not skeptical, he's not dispassionate, he's not doubting. What he's doing is creating reaffirmation for himself. Just listen to him at the end. This is a prime example of what's wrong with a lot of psi research.
 
#13
OK, but your earlier comment that "I wouldn't put too much weight on a youtube video" could be interpreted as meaning any such video should be immediately dismissed.
I agree, what I said was ambiguous and perhaps unhelpful.

I guess what I mean is, I take what he says seriously. But I'd probably have to be there in the room with him, watching, and inspecting everything, in order to take the demonstrations seriously. Videos are not what I consider 'proof', rather I consider it as an illustration, in order to show the type of arrangement which he uses. Then it it possible to attempt to re-create it for oneself - bearing in mind that there is a considerable length of time which one has to spend gradually getting into the appropriate mental state - which could take months at least.

In that respect, the mental preparation over a prolonged period of time is how I see it relating to the OOBE, which is also something which probably won't happen immediately - unless one has a natural predisposition, in which case preventing the OOBE may instead become the goal :)
 
#14
I wonder why he never shows the whole construction, but only the top of the pencil. No problem to add a device below that is slowly turning pencil and can. I guess if telekinesis was real, it would already have been accepted hundreds of years ago. At least if its power was as great as shown in the vid. Looks like a fraud and not a very good one...I have seen no other video by him, yet, though.
 
#16
Perhaps these are the characteristics of the mental state required in order to achieve results.
I'm not trying to say the dispassionate view should not apply. But think of it like an athletic performance. It is left to others to do the timings, the measurements, the adjudication. The participant has to focus on the task in hand.
 
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I wonder why he never shows the whole construction, but only the top of the pencil. No problem to add a device below that is slowly turning pencil and can. I guess if telekinesis was real, it would already have been accepted hundreds of years ago. At least if its power was as great as shown in the vid. Looks like a fraud and not a very good one...I have seen no other video by him, yet, though.
I think the real value of this, is that people can build their own device and try to work it. I imagine it requires practice - if it is possible at all - but if they can do it at all, they can probably expand their abilities further - move further away from the wheel, make the wheel rotate in different directions at will, etc etc.

David
 
#18
It's this sort of potential pk demonstration as opposed to decades of micro pk experiments that would change minds. Until that happens, if it ever happens, those that feel there's an alternative world will be fighting a very large uphill battle. So, if there's to be any progress to bring change then it has to come not from just a few luminaries, but from the rank and file population. In other words, one has no right to complain about psi considered fringe if one is not part of the solution.
 
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I did.
How do you know it's not heat from his body creating air currents inside the container? You don't. He moves farther away and it does not move as much, Why? He's not skeptical, he's not dispassionate, he's not doubting. What he's doing is creating reaffirmation for himself. Just listen to him at the end. This is a prime example of what's wrong with a lot of psi research.
Only that's not how psi research is done. That is just an home made experiment. But you have a point in this case, controls are not sufficient to come to any conclusions.
 
#20
Only that's not how psi research is done. That is just an home made experiment. But you have a point in this case, controls are not sufficient to come to any conclusions.
Your right to a point too. But remember if you know how singular scientists did experiments of the 18th-19th centuries. Many of the tools were homemade, if not, then made by someone with specific skills to order. Nothing stops people just like you from following in that path. Fancy equipment, fancy high tech labs are not necessary. What is need is know how, insight, intuition, logic, observation. By a milestone pk if it is real would be the easiest of all psi to demonstrate.
 
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