Al Borealis – Part 2 – Technology and Consciousness |390|

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    Al From Forum Borealis joins me for a conversation about technology and consciousness.
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    0:00 – 0:07 on this episode of Skeptiko oh I think
    0:03 – 0:10 the shaman thing may be wrong they may
    0:07 – 0:15 be looking at a very underdeveloped
    0:10 – 0:17 sense of manipulating aspects of
    0:15 – 0:19 consciousness when we look at ancient
    0:17 – 0:20 agriculture we say wow they did pretty
    0:19 – 0:22 good they had that little stick and they
    0:20 – 0:25 drove it in the ground and then they
    0:22 – 0:27 stuck a fishin in the with every corn
    0:25 – 0:31 seed and it grew hey good for them right
    0:27 – 0:34 now we get a hundred times that by doing
    0:31 – 0:36 all this kind of manipulation some of it
    0:34 – 0:38 good some of it bad but we figured out
    0:36 – 0:40 how to do that at a whole different
    0:38 – 0:42 level oh I think we’re under impressed
    0:40 – 0:44 of course there’s something you fail to
    0:42 – 0:47 see in that reasoning look they were
    0:44 – 0:48 having archaea consciousness or magical
    0:47 – 0:50 mythical depends when we’re talking
    0:48 – 0:52 about so that means that they were
    0:50 – 0:55 dealing with the same things but they
    0:52 – 0:58 were expressing and experiencing
    0:55 – 0:60 differently look I said people had a
    0:58 – 1:02 different kind of consciousness before
    0:60 – 1:05 that means that what they perceive it
    1:02 – 1:08 was also different people in nature like
    1:05 – 1:11 Oz Norwegians we know the wages are very
    1:08 – 1:13 artistic or I should say agnostic we’re
    1:11 – 1:17 probably the most secular one of the
    1:13 – 1:19 most secular in the world right now but
    1:17 – 1:21 all the Weejun when they go to the
    1:19 – 1:25 mountains when they go to the forests
    1:21 – 1:28 they become extremely humble and they
    1:25 – 1:30 connect with something now we prefer the
    1:28 – 1:32 technical way to explain it rather than
    1:30 – 1:34 the mythical because we lost from that
    1:32 – 1:38 part of consciousness but it’s still
    1:34 – 1:42 there and we still know about it I’m
    1:38 – 1:46 leaning towards the idea that the
    1:42 – 1:50 consciousness soul connection is not
    1:46 – 1:53 what we think it is it’s not as special
    1:50 – 1:58 it’s not as unique it’s more malleable
    1:53 – 2:00 than maybe we’ve thought stay with us
    1:58 – 2:08 for skeptiko
    2:00 – 2:12 [Music]

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  2. David Bailey

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    Alex,

    The download for this podcast fails, saying "Failed - no file". This might be that I have just tried to access this as you are setting it up - I don't know!

    David
     
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    I couldn't download it to my hard drive as I usually do either, David, and nor could I listen to it directly from the site.
     
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    Thanks Alex - it seems to download now.

    I like the idea of supplying an index to the podcast - is that going to be a permanent feature?

    I am yet to listen to the podcast.

    David
     
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    Is ET manipulating our consciousness with technology? Or is ET manipulating our consciousness with their own consciousness? A common theme to the abductee/close encounter story is telepathy. Presumably they seem to have “miraculous” abilities of consciousness. Are they using this power of their own mind to manipulate us? Or are they using tech AND their own consciousness? It’s even possible that there is no technology involved at all, in the way that we think of technology, and it’s all conscious ability. Then again, it’s also possible that they are using ONLY technology and it making it seem like miraculous powers of mind. But I don’t think that is likely. I also think it’s not at all unlikely that most of the tech they show us is theater. This was sort of a theory that Vallee cooked up decades ago, and I fully subscribe to it. They don’t need large needles to get DNA from us, and they don’t need lights on their ships to see where they are going, as a couple of examples. But the examples are endless if you dig into the accounts. They also give ridiculous answers as to where they come from. They told Pietro Zanfretta that they are from “the third dimension.” They, apparently, told onlookers during the airship sightings of the late 1800s that they were from “the land above the clouds” and that they were “descendants of the lost 12 tribes of Israel. They told Contactees in Europe that they are from the “land with no sun.” Sounds like made up theater to me.

    A lot of mental stuff seems to be going on with a lot of theater. And it seems that during NDEs or Astral traveling, the experiences can indeed manipulate their surroundings, and often this experience “feels” as physical to the experiencer as everyday waking life here on Earth feels. And they are doing this with their consciousness, perhaps, in a similar way that ET may be doing so in our realm. And it may be that there is no technology involved at all.
     
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    24:50 -- 26:12 He reveals himself here. The conversation, the covert manipulation, reveals itself. Whether or not you two were aware of this, here is where the "daemon" entered, if we can have a bit of fun and call it that.

    24:48 – 24:53 let me just fine-tune that when we look
    24:51 – 24:55 at shamanism when we look at those
    24:53 – 24:58 magical practices that I’m just talking
    24:55 – 25:01 about are what we’re really looking at
    24:58 – 25:05 is a crude form of manipulating
    25:01 – 25:08 consciousness as opposed to are we
    25:05 – 25:12 looking at advanced technologies that
    25:08 – 25:16 can manipulate that same consciousness
    25:12 – 25:19 when we look at some forms of the ET
    25:16 – 25:21 encounter and can we have this
    25:19 – 25:23 discussion without talking about
    25:21 – 25:26 materialism because all those people are
    25:23 – 25:29 on the outside looking in we’ll never
    25:26 – 25:31 get it it’s just a big boy conversation
    25:29 – 25:34 over here cows just forget it
    25:31 – 25:36 Neil deGrasse Tyson forget it he’s an
    25:34 – 25:40 actor he’s not a scientist by the way
    25:36 – 25:42 he’s an actor but anyway yeah so so yeah
    25:40 – 25:43 we can be but let’s not waste time on
    25:42 – 25:46 that I agree let’s let’s take the deep
    25:43 – 25:48 rule but I was going somewhere with this
    25:46 – 25:51 train of thought of mining was so great
    25:48 – 25:53 I was really having a revelation and I
    25:51 – 25:56 just can’t for the life of me remember
    25:53 – 25:57 what it was that you said but anyway I
    25:56 – 25:59 was going to approximately the same
    25:57 – 26:02 place because yeah we can manipulate
    25:59 – 26:04 many consciousness can be manipulated
    26:02 – 26:05 that’s especially the vehicles of the
    26:04 – 26:07 consciousness can be manipulated and
    26:05 – 26:10 thereby the expression of it you can
    26:07 – 26:12 dumb people down physically so that even
    26:10 – 26:14 geniuses can’t express themselves and
    26:12 – 26:16 yeah it’s all to do with the vibrations
    26:14 – 26:20 of course if you have very refined
    26:16 – 26:25 technology even for superseding what we

    notice the 80/20 rule and cul-de-sac effect
    also diversion/red herring, what are the important aspects of the question, where is that being derailed?
     
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    Arghhhhh! Can someone talk in meaningful English please?

    David
     
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    Sorry, don't mean to frustrate anyone!

    Here's how I see it as directly as possible. In a similar way that Al's bubble noise redirected the right brain away from what he's saying, now he's done it in words. Now this may very well be how a masculine/feminine or right/left brain as it is currently scientifically defined works--sophistry works very well on the feminine or non-logical side of the mind/brain. The masculine side can be very tunnel-like, honing in brilliantly like the scientific mind is known to do. The right-brain feminine does the something like the opposite, right? It sort of imprints the territory and intuits, like an infant might coming straight from the womb, certain things are clearly apparent for its survival and it responds automatically.

    So when I'm hearing a conversation, as a one more feminine in knowing, when that conversation is being derailed, I'm hyper-sensitive to it. Now look at what happened in this portion of the interview, very early on really. "I was really having a revelation and I can't for the life of me remember it now."

    What does this do to the train of thought of a right-brain dominate person?

    I can tell you, it totally derails it. And, further more, I think part of him knows this. But, who knows, I will give him the benefit of the doubt for 30 more minutes.
     
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    IDK the machine generated transcription was pretty rough
     
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    seems like a tech component is involved in some/many... but again we're not sure what we're looking at here... i.e. are we looking at many different ETs with all sorts of diff agendas?
     
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    There’s a really interesting phenomenon underlying virtually all sorts of paranormal phenomenon, and I’ve talked about it here in the past because I don’t think this thought gets enough attention. In every area, credible people, by the hundreds and thousands have their attempts at documenting paranormal phenomena ruined by “the trickster.” This holds true in demonology, UFOs, crytpozoology, etc etc etc. I was gonna I start listing notable instances, but I don’t know where to begin. I even know people personally whose cameras broke down on them at the most crucial moment, my wife being one of them. During the Belgian UFO wave dozens of people had their photos of these craft developed and the results were blurred photos. This happened during the Marian Apparitional sightings in Fatima. It happened to John Alexander at Skinwalker ranch. If all of these things are different entities with different agendas, which they may very well be, they are AT A MINIMUM complicit together in this “rule” of withholding absolute proof of any paranormal phenomenon from the general public and indeed from humanity as a whole. This holds itself true in every area of paranormal study time after time after time again. At least with regards to non-direct experiencers and documentation goes. Now if the government has recovered alien hardware, we’re gonna have to take aliens off of that list. I just don’t know if they do or not.
     
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    I agree - this is an important point. However, if the government only has crashed (i.e. broken) alien hardware - that doesn't actually do anything - imagine showing someone from the 1930's the latest Intel chip. They might be curious what it was for - but never believe you if you explained.

    Put the way you have, it does seem as though there is an intelligence at work keeping the paranormal secret. In a way, this also seems to apply to UFO's themselves, because they could, as the saying goes, land on the White House lawn - or at a pop concert, or whatever. Conceivably they want us to develop as naturally as possible, while still trying to guide us in certain directions.

    Another possible slant on this might be that most of these phenomena are distortions of consciousness - including distortions of consciousness spread over multiple people. This wouldn't make them any less paranormal.

    I think it might be best to start a new thread on the trickster question, so we don't get side tracked back onto the main topic of this thread (so to speak!)

    David
     
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