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    Forum Borealis is a podcast unafraid to tackle the big picture questions of life, consciousness and conspiracy.
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    Alex Tsakiris:
    Today we welcome Al Borealis to Skeptiko. Borealis isn’t his real name but that’s part of the stealthy imagine that he’s created. Al is the creator and host of the very excellent Forum Borealis podcast, a podcast that seeks to bust all sorts of paradigms, be they scientific, political, religious, historical, conspiratorial, all of them and any of them. What’s really unique and special about Al is the way he goes about that and what his show is all about, and that’s what I really want to get to today in this special coming out party. I’ve actually managed to unmask Al, so you’re listening to this audio but if you want to go up on YouTube, if they allow it on YouTube, you’ll actually see Al on camera. That’s a first, right?

    Al Borealis: It’s a first, but I didn’t say I didn’t wear a mask.

    Alex Tsakiris: Yes, do not be fooled. So, just a little bit more. When I say it’s a special show, I mean, where else are you going to give five hours of interview with Peter Levenda on UFO disclosure? I mean, that’s remarkable.

    Al Borealis: Yeah.

    Alex Tsakiris: Where else are you going to get six hours or more with Joseph Farrell just on JFK and all of it? I’ve listened to every minute of it, it’s spellbinding. I mean, it’s just fantastic stuff.

    Al Borealis: Thank you.

    Alex Tsakiris: And then throw in a couple of hours with the famous 88-year-old, past-lives researcher, Erlendur Haraldsson. I mean, this is just a diverse deep-dive into topics that weave together in a way that listeners to this show will understand, but I think most people are still left on the outside looking in, in terms of wondering how all of that can happen.

    So, Al, it’s just fantastic. I so love and appreciate your show and I’m really grateful for you joining me today on Skeptiko.
     
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    For God’s sake Al, chill on the coffee sipping noise into your microphone! That’s basic microphoning 101.

    Another good show. And I’m glad to have discovered the borealis forums. I just signed up to post there.

    Alex, with regards to your opinion that UFOs are both archetypal and perhaps from another planet, I agree that of course we do not know that it isn’t both, but why do believe that it IS both? Isn’t inserting one single explanation to cover the facts a more likely solution than inserting two explanations? But then you would surely counter, “yes, but that’s only if one explanation would cover all of the facts.” At least that’s what I get from you on that. Can I ask why you feel that it is likely in fact both?
     
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    Actually, if you take a quick look at the video version, you'll see it's the sound of Al vaping like mad ;).

    I don't know -- I found this interview a case of a tad too much inside baseball. I went and listened to 2 of Al's interviews, one of them a 2-parter with Alex (touching on issues in Alex's book), and I found them much less so. In fact, I've added Al's podcast to my bookmarks and will be exploring his site further -- could be I'll end up being a fan of his.
     
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    I've listened to a number of Forum Borealis episodes and love the relaxed long form conversations he has. Enjoyed the friendly debate on this episode.

    When you were talking about To the Stars and AATIP I was thinking I heard a Borealis interview with Elizondo, but went back and found that it was another guy with a thick accent... nevertheless it is one of the better longer Eilzondo interviews and worth a listen:


    I'm with the Norwegian on the TTS and AATIP stuff... I think the guys involved in To The Stars are genuinely curious and interested in bringing out some truth to the public... could they be maniuplated themselves? sure... could others want to hijack what they're doing and use it to promote their agendas (e.g. space force, fake alien invasion)? sure... Is there a secret space program? I've no idea, but I figure if we can detect gravity waves then gravity can be manipulated just like EM, so UFO-like physics might be possible. Many of the guys involved with TTS I see as genuinely curious individuals - like Dean Radin who also came out of secret government programs to pursue these things.

    Whether or not TTS failed has yet to be seen. Tom Delong didn't have good chemistry with Joe Rogan, but I don't think that means TTS failed completely.

    Anyway, thanks for reminding me about Forum Borealis... I'm going to go have a listen to more of his podcasts. :)
     
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    hey wormwood, I love this question :) first off, I'm not totally sure what the "archetypal" is... not trying to be cute... I'm mean, are we talking about some properties of consciousness or some kind of thought form thing. with regard to the off-planet stuff, I think we have to take in that data as it's presented until we nail down something better... that is, if we're going to play the consensus reality game :)
     
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    Yea I agree. “Archetypal” is pretty vague. I’m sort of with Vallee when he says (paraphrasing) that “perhaps these things have been with us all through history and have taken on forms which convey meaning to our current society and which line up, somewhat, with our current technology.” I’m less confident that the shapes which we see them in are representative of THEIR current state of technology. Especially since one of the common threads amongst sightings as that these “entities” often constantly change shape and appearance throughout the course of a single sighting. Seems they can manipulate matter at will, and do so in order to infer some kind of affect on us. But of course that doesn’t preclude the possibility that it is an ET species acting in this manner. But the strange “miracles” they seem to show us, along with the sub-theme of telepathy and the other characteristics which they share with other paranormal phenomena, along with the reports of seemingly credible Astral travelers who run into these beings out of body, this leads me to think there is a large extra dimensional/spiritual type-angle to all of this. I think it’s less likely to be both ET and the type which I described and more likely that it’s one of the other, and I tend to think it’s the latter but who knows, it could be both.
     
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    Although I think Al sounds like a good podcast presenter, and I will probably try one of his podcasts, I felt he didn't bring too much to the table in this interview.

    What data specifically suggests that UFO's come from another planet? I mean the fact that they crash sometimes and leave evidence, or that they implant people with objects, doesn't really tell you they are from another planet, just that they are physical. On the other hand some mediums create (or channel the creation) of apports, so while it is fairly easy to recognise that a phenomenon is not fully physical, I'd say it is much harder to determine that a phenomenon is purely non-physical!

    David
     
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    I’m inclined to think they are extra-dimensional, which does not mean that they cannot be physical. There are lots of NDE reports and reports of Astral travelers who claim that their experiences are fully physical. If we accept that, (I think we can trust many of these accounts) then it seems true that there are other physical planes that conscious beings may jump between under certain conditions/circumstances. This is also in accord (indirectly with the reincarnation evidence) in my opinion. And, alas, many people, many credible people, who have OBE experiences claim that they encounter “aliens” in these other realms which are fully physical. So absolutely physical DOES NOT automatically mean “from another planet.” But it CERTAINLY does not mean that they ARENT from another planet either, obviously. It’s easy to understand why somebody might think that the most logical explanation for something physical that is not of this Earth, is that it is from elsewhere in the universe. This is logically consistent because then you do not have to invoke a mystical “other dimension.” But at a closer glance, does that theory make the most sense? I’m not sure that it does. And I think it’s likely that one explanation covers the facts, not two explanations. But I freely admit my ultimate ignorance on the phenomena.
     
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    However, remember that occultism invokes a series of planes, only one of which is physical. In the end, we get into a complex semantic tangle. Maybe we should define physical, as a mechanism you could reasonably expect to read about in Scientific American or a physics textbook!

    I agree the concept that these are physical beings from another world (i.e. planet orbiting a star) seems very unreasonable.

    David
     
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    that's what they tell us... over and over. of course, that doesn't mean it's true, but...
     
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    I really enjoyed this interview. I'm beginning to think the UFO Phenomena is just a part of a "paranormal spectrum" associated with consciousness and is affected by culture. Our culture has been shaped and influenced by materialism, and specifically stuff like Sci-Fi, which I believe goes back to the 19th century with H.G. Wells (and other authors with interesting connections). Our subconscious is seeded, programed for a technological explanation of strange phenomena. If someone saw a UFO 3 centuries ago, they wouldn't have equated it with Aliens from Outer Space, it more likely would be perceived as something supernatural and "explainable" within the culture of that time.

    I once listened to an interview with a stage magician who was asked: "Is it easier to fool kids or adults?" The answer was, by far it is easier to fool adults. Children notice and process more information that adults do. Over time adults must learn to dismiss trivial information and focus on what they perceive is most important, such as a threat or opportunity. This makes it easier for adults to miss details and/or jump to the wrong conclusion when given misinformation, or "tricked" by the magician (or disinfo agent if you will). Kids can't easily tell "good" information from "bad" information so they process it all as they learn.

    I'm not saying UFO and Aliens aren't "real", only that they probably aren't what we think and perceive them to be. These things could be manifestations of a collective consciousness, for example. One's mans "Grey" is another mans "Angel" based on where or when an event happened. The fact that the accounts are often similar, and occur in dreams, altered states, NDE's and in so many ways they have to be related.

    Anyway that is my present theory and thought I would share it and see what you guys/gals think?
     
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    They seem to be highly deceptive, in many ways. The stories they tell contactees and abductees are often blatantly contradicting and absurd. I don’t take anything they show us at face value. Should I? I don’t know, but I don’t. At any rate, the trickster Force is very strong with ET.
     
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    "It's climate change"
    "No, that's Act II"

    So, is the constant bubble noise part of his regular shtick?! I felt like I was snorkeling every 5 minutes! Hard to follow what he's saying I guess with my head underwater?

    I feel no real sense from this interview that I should follow this fishman's work. What is unique here, how is he different from the 2 dozen others offering interviews with all the same people, besides the sound effects?

    The NYT UFO psy-op didn't work, as Alex duly noted. The MSM has been permanently discredited with all those under the age of 65, or so. This is what they learned from that sideshow. So, now the Act III is already on, with floods of disinfo agents in every direction, sidetracking, waving, fear-porning like mad--it's vaudeville.

    Hopefully the UFOs will save us from Global Climate Meltdown before Al Roker meets John McCain on the hills of Mount Zion to part the Mississippi for the preparation of Agenda 2030.

    "Pardon my French."
     
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    I'd like this bit three times if I could.
     
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    I'd hope they concentrate on a real threat -nuclear war -rather than a temperature rise of just 0.8 C in the last 138 years!

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    hi Joe... some thoughts to further the conversation:
    - "paranormal spectrum"... very weird... beyond understanding... agreed.

    - "affected by culture"... i.e. collective thought/consciousness... seems to be proven true over and over.

    - "tricked"... deception both by ET and shadow gov also seems to be well established.

    - "probably aren't what we think and perceive them to be"... sure, but where do we go with this? I think we have to dive into the data points we have and go as far as we can. presently we seem to be in the middle of a political psyop surrounding disclosure. this seems like something we could kinda got to the bottom of. the ET abduction reality is something else that seems to be real and is having a huge impact on the people involved... another one we could dig into.
     
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    That would be awesome! There is so much material in this for a novice like myself to navigate and I don't know how yet to gauge who is really impacted and who is a 'lifetime actor' (maybe this is impossible to gauge even with more exposure) so I could benefit for sure from such an approach. Despite my snarky comments I really do care especially about those suffering, whether from delusions, or targeted individuals, or physical symptoms, or whatever. And I hate to say it, but I think it's connected to Luciferianism and the pedo-rings and Satanic Ritual Abuse at some level b/c it's messing with folks' minds terribly, and not just the direct victims. I don't know, but I get the sense the same bloodlines tend to be involved in so much of these 'black ops/Jesuit-type' scheming. It's really hard to believe all the stories of those coming forward are fabricated, especially when they start naming names. Like this woman:
    https://stoplookthink.com/witness-s...na-barnett-calling-out-her-pedophile-abusers/

    Now I'm not at all trying to derail the UFO disclosure point, only saying my spidy-sense tells me somewhere, somehow these two topics converge at some deep level and maybe we might try to explore that a bit.

    On other points, I don't shy away from the word 'conspiracy' ever and don't think, as was said in the interview, that every time we use this word 'they win'. Quite the opposite, actually. Every time I use it I feel a big 'fuck you' in my heart that feels fantastic. :)

    Also, Al says man's biggest fears are Silence, Darkness and Loneliness. I'd say those are the adolescents biggest fears. Once conquered those fears shift considerably. Personally, my biggest fears are torture (physical and mental), imprisonment, and disease. Anyone else care to share?

    David, did you know there's a growing community out there who insists nuclear weapons are a hoax? They say that Nagasaki and Hiroshima were fire bombed, comparing photos to Dresden and other fire-bombed cities, so they say, the photos of then and now prove it, since they currently seem to be flourishing cities not affected by nuclear contamination. (Not making an argument here, just sharing info!)
     
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    From that article linked above, a ritual that speaks conspiracy:

    "My leaving the Sydney based Luciferian cult left them in a pickle. A Grande Dame assumes the position by drawing in the dying breath of the previous Grande Dame. During my Grande Council hearing, Antony Kidman warned me I would amount to nothing without the cult’s backing. True to Kidman’s word, my ability in, and pursuit of, every one of my interest areas has been thwarted by cult members to this day."

    Entomology of the word "conspiracy" : con: together spirar: to breath
     
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    Hi Alex,

    As recently as a year or two ago, I'd consider topics such as Magic, the Occult and Alchemy as pure bunk. However, I've since come to believe differently about these topics. Magic is real, it just isn't what I thought it was based on movies and TV. In its simplest form is injecting belief into an individual. This can be done for healthy, legitimate reasons, like improving self confidence, success in sports or work and reaching goals. If you don't believe you can do something, you never will, and that is powerful and "magical".

    Injecting false beliefs into individuals is also real, and is Black Magic. You inject a false belief and fool people into carrying out your agenda, and they don't even realize it. Again, nothing new, just like the reference to Plato's Cave in your earlier podcast, we've known about the power of perspective, and the value in manipulating it for thousands of years.

    The only thing that has changed is the Technology/Delivery Mechanism and Culture/Social Engineering, which increases the effectiveness exponentially. We've been molded into groups that share similar frames of reference, and today with social media in particular (internet and media in general), it's very simple to manipulate people, for low cost, on an immense scale. Just look at our last election cycle as the prime example of this.

    So yes, this story looks staged. At best, Harry Reid provided funding to friend and contractor for this program, and when it ended they released the information simply in hope of finding an alternative revenue stream. Worst case it's what you suspect, disinfo from some nefarious source.

    Where to go from here with it? I'm not sure. I totally agree it would be good to get to the bottom of, but fear there is plenty of bad data and disinfo to sift through. I certainly don't intend to discourage you however, anything but, and I look forward to the next interview with Al.
     
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    Et tu David. Seriously?

     
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