Christopher Knowles, Are Occult Symbols Present in Science? |365|

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  1. Baccarat

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    Thanks for dropping these videos on how to remote view, and lucid dream. Now the social skeptics can practice and write down their results. Doubt they'll be ethical about it

    Get to work you've been trolling these boards for too long
     
  2. Wander Awakening

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    Alex, with the questions you raise about evil, I am reminded of the Control Matrix in which we live, the Gnostic admonitions about the Archons, and Robert Monroe's writings about Loosh. All of these, and more, are researched and presented by Bernhard Guenther, and I think you need to have a show with him to discuss it all.
    https://veilofreality.com/about/

    This recent conference on YouTube is very good.
     
  3. Charlie Primero

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    This was Knowles' best information in this podcast episode.

    "The Elites" practice a religion we don't understand.

    Knowles suffers from Pareidolia and Apophenia. Listen to his interviews on YouTube and you'll hear him making all manner of wild sychromystic connections and correspondences that evidence do not support.

    That being said, he is correct that synchromysticisms do occur, and that "The Elites" are employing ritual and symbolism for some spiritual purpose.

    I have struggled for years to understand what that Religion is, and failed. Enki vs. Enlil, YHVH vs. Satan, or Monad vs. Demiurge seem to be as good metaphors as any.
     
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    I like the idea of keeping the platform in a 'Red Light District'. The problem I have with it is bigger than just 'it's not my cup of tea' b/c 'the platform' has become nearly impossible to avoid, even for children.

    Does this sound 'authoritarian' or 'Nazi-like' or Fascist? My personal preference: I like folks to shit in a toilet, in a restroom, with the fan on, and then to flush. Is this now considered old-fashioned and prudish? And this 'art' is as close to shit as I can imagine, so take the platform somewhere I'm not forced to smell it. If and when I get a penchant for shit, I know then just where to look.

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    There is no religion, they are practicing magick. What they choose to invoke or evoke is up to them. Some may invoke qualities of any number of dieties
     
  6. David Bailey

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    The point is that the freedoms we enjoy (or at least used to) absolutely require defined limits. For example, freedom of speech only works if there are laws that prevent people casually libelling others! Nowadays, people are constrained not to describe bomb making techniques in any detail.

    The pornography laws also imply a restriction of freedom of speech.

    The important thing used to be that these limitations of freedom of speech were tightly defined. Nowadays, people can get into trouble in a myriad of ways, such as just using the wrong pronoun when there are trans-gender people around!

    If artists are to be permitted to do things that would otherwise be illegal, then that only makes sense if the someone can come up with a suitable definition of what counts as art. That might have been possible long ago, but not now!

    David
     
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    Kindagamey...thanks for those videos. I especially liked the third one. Haven't had a lucid dream in a long time...will have to try it again.
     
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    What has Abramovich done that is or should be illegal? As I've said, depictions of blood, gore, torture, rape and death have been present in highbrow art for centuries. The symbol of the Christian church is a tortured man executed by being nailed to a cross. Are we going to ban crucifixes as distasteful relics of a primitive era?

    Her work is the subject to two different accusations, one that she uses symbols likely to evoke the demonic, which is completely unfalsifiable, two, that her work is distasteful on grounds of the use of bodily fluids. As we can't prove the first we're left with a transgression of good taste in the second. I find the bill to legally kill preborn children up to birth distasteful, not someone satirising cultural icons by throwing blood and semen around. I consider myself a social and moral conservative, but can't see any grounds for condemning Abramovich as the work isn't pornographic (unlike some of Jeff Koons for example), doesn't show torture or BDSM, or endanger children's morals more than an evening of television viewing. Neither does the work in question represent more than a brief interlude in her oeuvre.

    I can't see anything in the work that isn't present in numerous other artworks, which means singling it out for condemnation is absurd. The fact that Hilary likes it is neither here nor there, as Mrs Clinton isn't a curator, artist or art historian. We're entering the same rationale as the US judge who claimed pornography was anything that gave him an erection.
     
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    Who here noticed that Knowles never actually tells us what is going on, he just tells us that we don't know what is going on?

    So then what exactly is Knowles point? "it's not satan, it's not lucifer, blah blah blah…it's EROS" ???

    OK Chris- it's Eros- how then are we supposed to react to the Gotthard ritual, etc. (Eros is good, it's the life force.) So do you mean that these cocksucker scientists that depict a horrible word of enslavement at the hands of their advanced technology are actually doing us a favor? I think that is actually what you mean and you actually infer that stance numerous times in the interview.

    Knowles is in essence advocating for the power brokers here folks. He rags on Bill Cooper, but Bill Cooper actually did read the primary texts and gives you the names of primary texts that he read, so you can read them. Bill Cooper advised you to read them. Chris Knowles did not mention the name of a single primary text that he said it is so important to read. Not one. He never has. I have read his blog for many years…

    He's so enthusiastic and thoroughly appears to be on the side of the little guy the oppressed, the bewildered, but in fact he he appears to me to be carrying water for the luciferian/satanists/eroists and in the end he winds up just confusing the issue. he brings no clarity. Chris Knowles recommended course of action is to keep reading his blog.

    Historically the gods have always been a jumble, and change names and appearances while still representing the same forces. So OK, eros in some cultures became satan and it/he/she is depicted in many ways. That doesn't change the fact that science is being used to oppress us, and that science is telling us massive lies, and that science seems to be run at the highest levels by freemasons and rosicrucians dating back to the Royal Society...

    I'l tell you what Chris Knowles believes: (I read his blog for many years) Chris Knowles believes that we actually landed on the moon, but that aliens scared us off from revisiting! His real agenda is to get us to believe in the aliens and that these Gotthard scientific oppressors are probably, just maybe….doing the work of the aliens, so chill out folks, it's probably cool.

    Those Detroit satanists and braintree pedophiles are bad, but the occult scientists are probably here to help. Because they have alien blood. Like the Freemasons.

    That's what Chris Knowles is really saying.

    Which is pretty satanic if you ask me, because it is the essence of eugenics.
     
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    Thank you for the heads-up.

    I was unfamiliar with Knowles. I thought he might might be onto something.

    As usual, it turns out he is one of the hundreds of "Researchers" who do no actual primary research. They merely regurgitate the same old Conspiracy Theories, flavored with the latest fashions.
     
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    I think depicting playing with dead bodies, and dismembering them, should be illegal - I presume it isn't - at least in the US.

    Certain activities are deemed pornographic, even if depicted in cartoon form. I think this needs to be added to that list.

    OK - no point in discussing the matter further - we simply disagree!

    David
     
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    ^ In defense of CK, if we're in a universe where it is a peer-to-peer consciousness network rather than a client/server one and if our awareness can actually have an effect on the world around us, then making people more knowledgeable of these ritualistic practices might be enough to diffuse the emotional energy of them. If these black eyed kid stories are to be believed, the other side not only makes itself known to us, but it always requires an invitation to come in. It seems like all we need to do is know enough to see it happening and reject it. Certainly he generates a healthy distrust of mainstream science and media (and a detachment from the emotional out-gassings we're being encouraged to engage in) which is essential if you want to break your own hypnosis cycle.

    Personally, I'm all for people disrupting the materialist (hopeless) agenda and promoting a magical (hopeful/malleable) worldview, "objective reality" be damned (if there even is such a thing.) There are a lot of really smart and interesting people who read that blog and they're generally good folks. I really like CK. What he does is very difficult and he navigates it well. It gets people excited and he works his ass off at it. I'm a certified optimist (by choice) and he seems to think things will get worse, but certainly an enemy you can see is easier to manage than one you can't.

    Seek ye the lighthouses my friends. Be one if it's in your nature.

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    (Honestly, synchronicity hunting is a bit like bitcoin mining and I wouldn't be surprised if you could get from any point to any other point 7 degrees of kevin bacon style, but that doesn't make it any less relevant? Like a wind map, you mark each point and then step back to look at the larger trends.)
     
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    From what I saw it wasn't a real dead body. Some artists use real dead bodies, Joel Peter Witkin for instance, which I agree is in poor taste and offensive, although the Victorians were proud of their post mortem photographs. The problem is defining what is and is not tasteless is difficult. Is the children's game Operation in poor taste, where removing body parts sounds a buzzer? Remember Aurora kits who had a working guillotine where kids could repeatedly remove the victim's head? Or the American Civil War bubble gum trading cards which depicted men tied to a cannon and lurid illustrations of horses being driven on to spiked booby traps?

    Compare that to Fragonard's seemingly innocent girl on a swing, which gives the male in the picture an eyeful as a servant pulls her to are fro. Or Pietro da Cortona's elegant Rape of the Sabine Women. All those examples and numerous others are of questionable taste. I don't get worked up about what happens in galleries, which are usually aimed at a knowing, frequently jaded visual palate of connoisseurs. I do get exercised by what goes on in laboratories where human embryos are created and discarded like so much genetic Lego. A sense of proportion is useful, and a moral compass pointing to the real horrors behind the sensible lab coats and assured demeanours.
     
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    It seems to be a lot of these researchers are over complicating these matters. Who cares what deities these worship. Many of these deities don't exist, they are just collective energies/characteristics of the specific deity these people draw upon.

    Magick is not dark in the sense that it is evil.....it is about intention and will. When "evil" people use MAGICK and its subsets such as hypnotism, remote viewing, telepathy ETC for bad things, then it is context evil. MAGICK as a whole is not evil. Setting an intention and doing a ritual to get rid of fake friends for example is not bad nor evil. But let's say you are not specific enough when doing a ritual such as that. And one of the friends you get rid of happens to get locked up or even worse dies.

    See where I am going with this?
     
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    Yes, I do.

    The question is, is serving the little me's will really in the best interests of the universe at large?

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    Then again, the road to hell is paved with people who sought their own interests whilst convinced they were serving a larger purpose. hmm..
     
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    yeah, he's on my list :) would you pls reach out to him on my behalf... I'll take it from there.
     
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    How do we draw the line and discern the difference between planned symbolism, synchronicity, and pareidolia? Do all blend together and morph into realities as in a waking dream?

    From my own recent experience... I got a little obsessed about the Las Vegas shooting and started playing the game of trying to "Dammegard" the next attack. Looking for hidden clues and synchromystical connections, I became half-way convinced there would be a major attack at Lakewood Church in Houston TX on 11/5. When I checked Drudge that day and saw big red headlines "Mass shooting at Texas church" my heart kind of jumped into my throat a bit... then I read on and saw that it was at a different church than what I had predicted 4 days earlier.

    Was I suffering from pareidolia? I half-way felt like I was, but also felt like the more I looked, the more the patterns popped out at me from random places.

    I felt like the planned part of the symbolism of the Vegas event was telling a story about Christian martyrdom and that it symbolized "Jesus Country" being initiated and driven out of the Paradise to struggle against the curse. So that was one reason I was looking for a church to be attacked.

    I was egged on to look for clues in the news and patterns in the noise after I learned of Boris Johnson's widely publicized gaffe on 9/30 in which he quoted Kipling's "The Road to Mandalay" while in Burma. The hotel was named after this poem. Another weird coincidence: The Road to Mandalay was made into a film which was released 33,333 days before the shooting. We can find all kinds of weird patterns, some of which might seem to have been planned, but we can never know for sure.

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    Most types of Psi involve noise. Lines in the palm, movements of stars, tea leaves, coffee grounds, chicken bones, ganzfeld white noise, etc... Noise is chaos and the present moment is a continual surfing on the wave that is the boundary between order and chaos. We embody the Logos as we bring order to chaos through conscious experience.

    So is looking for clues in the news any different than reading the tea leaves? Couldn't one go on a binge of pareidolia and hover close to the madness of obsession and bring back some Psi info that is half-way correct? Is that what I did when I pinpointed a date and a church (albeit the wrong church) for the next major attack?
     
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    I asked my fishing buddy who is a Psychiatrist what is the difference between "Neurosis" and "Psychosis".

    He replied "It's just a matter of degree".

    Same with Apophenia and Pareidolia. Your premonition about a church shooting was pretty darn awesome. Knowles takes it too far. He strings together things that are unwarranted and declares it Sync. Dammegard is actually more down-to-earth, in my opinion

    I just finished listening to Scott Onstott (of Secrets in Plain Sight fame) get interviewed on Tsarion's podcast. He made an interesting point. When Tsarion asked Scott why cities like London, Paris, and Astana, Kazakhstan are built with sacred geometry and geomancy, Scott said the designers usually don't do it on purpose. It just happens that way organically, the same way pine cones grow to the Golden Rule.

    I think a lot of "Predictive Programming" is this way. Due to media programming, millions of souls start envisioning something, and through force of collective will, it manifests. Shadowy Elites didn't organize it, but they kinda did make it happen in a round-about way. Writers and directors may not even know they are doing it when the write a movie or TV episode. They just do it unconciously.

    I've pretty much ignored Las Vegas, but I did run across an interesting thesis by Dr. Farrell last night. I was sleepy when I watched it, but I think he is basically saying that Las Vegas was a distraction to cover up an attempted hit on a Saudi Royal who was staying on the upper floors of some hotel. You might like...

     
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    I like Ole Dammegard a lot... one thing he clued me in to was the "missing shoe" or "barefoot" theme. It is always there. It was even there at the Texas church shooting and I don't know what to make of that because it was the seemingly ideal hero who was barefoot. Coincidence? Hard to believe the hero was part of it or is that just my bias for wanting to believe in a real gun-toting hero in this story?

    At the risk of going full Mel Gibson Conspiracy theorist here, just briefly, a few of the patterns / clues that led me to Lakewood Church:

    I was already looking for the number 59 to appear again and I was looking for Christians to be attacked due to the Vegas symbolism. I thought the 5th of November (there's a hidden 5-9 and also a story about persecution of the church) might be significant due to various things which I won't get into here but due to the history of that event I was also focused on "basement chambers".

    The 4chan poster who warned about Vegas back on 9/11/17 said that it was part of the "High Incident Project" which is a series of planned mass casualty events that would make people afraid to attend large gatherings. Lakewood is one of the largest megachurches in the nation. James Murren (CEO of MGM who dumped 90% of his stock before the Vegas event) is on the National Infrastructure Advisory Council - in a position to influence decisions about federal body scanner contracts. The manager of George Bush Intercontinental Airport in Houston is also on the NIAC, so that was a potential target which primed me to look for Houston.

    Then the Manhattan attack occurred on West between Houston and Chambers street along the Greenway. So I googled "West Houston Chambers Greenway" and landed right on top of Lakewood Church which is also on highway 59. The Thornton Colorado attack which killed three was just a few miles from Aurora where the batman massacre occurred, and Thornton / Aurora / Lakewood make a perfect equilateral triangle. Also the Thornton shooter's name was Scott Ostrem and the head pastor of Lakewood is Joel Scott Osteen. He was recently in the news receiving bad PR due to the Hurricane Harvey disaster response (funny all this is in the midst of the Harvey Hollywood scandal). So I was already looking for more clues about Lakewood being attacked and then Jim posts an Infowars spoof video and it features Alex Jones fictionally shooting guns inside Lakewood Church... lol what are the odds. Oh and I decided to look at the Telegraph for clues since they published the Mandalay clue the day before Vegas... so on 11/2 The Telegraph featured in the Pictures of the Day, first something about the Manhattan attack followed by two pictures that caught my eye: a tree surrounded by water with 10 snakes poking their heads out from under the tree.. the picture was taken in Richmond TX which is just a few miles from West Houston... also Richmond Street borders Lakewood Church. The next picture was of Serpentine Lake with a swimmer and white swan... so lake + wood + 10 snakes under the lake-wood...

    Anyway, we're obviously stretching there, but it is pretty amazing how when we sensitize ourselves to an idea it seems like reality bends itself to fit - or reality is just so infinitely complex that we can frame it up in such a way as to create the patterns we're looking for in the noise.

    Being somewhat of an aspiring writer, I comforted myself (and my wife) with the notion that my semi-insane spree of pareidollia was just a temporary exercise in creative writing. :)

    Yeah, I think there is an organic element to it, but also there is the impulse to hide symbols related to esoteric transcendental concepts just for the satisfaction of knowing that someone else who knows enough to see it will go "Aha!"

    I consider Scott Onstott's video, Secrets in Plain Sight, essential viewing for the YouTube scholar.

    Going with the whole chaos magic theme... is it possible that by searching a little obsessively for clues about the next major attack, I improved the odds of it happening and maybe improved the odds of it happening similar to the way I expected it to happen? Or is that just what *they* would want us to think so that we shy away from any attempt at exposing corruption for fear that we might make it happen...

    Thanks for the link. I'll check it out. Love listening to Joseph Farrell!
     
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