Consciousness and Disability

#1
Here is a girl with severe mental disability - or so it might seem. When given the correct tools she can express herself clearly and understand her thoughts and actions with a clarity few people posses.

Here are some thoughts:

1. What a nightmare for her. To not be able to control your body, to be treated like you're not there. I can't imagine how difficult that would be.

2. The implications for others' who are unable to communicate effectively - Shocking.

3. The argument of dementia or or other mental illnesses being an example of brain based consciousness is further challenged by this case, and I'm sure many others.

What a beautiful soul she is.


https://www.facebook.com/carlysvoice/
 
#4
Although, I suspect she is just being herself. What else can she be? :)
She is who she is. And her handicapped brain clearly does not define her. But perhaps her decision to incarnate (if indeed was a pre-planned decision) into this very challenging life does somewhat, define a component to her soul's character. Hence my comment on her bravery.
 
#7
That is an amazing story, but I want to be a bit cautious - just in case this is not quite what it seems - it looks a little bit too good to be true.

I felt a bit dubious when she wrote about her brain being wired differently, but I guess she may have picked up a lot of jargon like that from discussions with specialists where she was present.

Assuming it is true, it made me wonder a lot of things:

Would it be possible to treat severely autistic people by giving them a drug to calm the intense physical sensations that she reports?

Is she telepathic?

Is she getting obviously anomalous information 'from outside' - she seems to have picked up reading and writing!

I guess we may know more when her book is published, and if she keeps going she could tell the rest of us some interesting things!

David
 
#8
That is an amazing story, but I want to be a bit cautious - just in case this is not quite what it seems - it looks a little bit too good to be true.

I felt a bit dubious when she wrote about her brain being wired differently, but I guess she may have picked up a lot of jargon like that from discussions with specialists where she was present.

Assuming it is true, it made me wonder a lot of things:

Would it be possible to treat severely autistic people by giving them a drug to calm the intense physical sensations that she reports?

Is she telepathic?

Is she getting obviously anomalous information 'from outside' - she seems to have picked up reading and writing!

I guess we may know more when her book is published, and if she keeps going she could tell the rest of us some interesting things!

David
David, I believe her family gave her intensive learning therapy from an early age, thus she is quite capable of reading and writing. As you can see, no one else is typing for her as in some cases that led to disaster. I cannot see how this could be anything but genuine.

This is not the same as the autistic savant boy in a previous thread. There's nothing supernatural here. Just an incredible opportunity to find out what really goes on in the minds of the supposedly 'mentally ill.'
 
#9
David, I believe her family gave her intensive learning therapy from an early age, thus she is quite capable of reading and writing. As you can see, no one else is typing for her as in some cases that led to disaster. I cannot see how this could be anything but genuine.
Yes, but that isn't quite what the video said. As I heard it, yes she received a lot of therapy, but it didn't seem to have done much until she found the computer. Was she reading books before that time?

I mentioned ESP because there have been a number of suggestions that such children do exhibit ESP.

I'm just not sure what to make of it.

David
 
#10
I have heard numerous such stories and have no reason to doubt their validity. However, David raised some good questions the video should have addressed. How was she suddenly able to read and write? Were the telepathic elements sanitized out to make it more palatable for the target audience? Was it done on purpose to protect Carly and other children like her? Maybe she is not telepathic, but displays other ESP abilities, she may not yet understand, nor her caretakers.

I can certainly relate to getting overwhelmed by outside stimuli, but my take is that the brain still needs to find a way to make sense out of all that data and find a way to interpret it. I also suspected for some time that autism is on the high end of the sensitivity spectrum. I am only basing this on my own experience, being a highly sensitive and empathic person myself, and how a part of me can relate to some of the children’s stories.

An acquaintance of mine is volunteering for the Son-Rise program, which was started by a family who treated their highly autistic son successfully by meeting him where he was. The son, Raun Kaufman, is now leading a normal life, is an Ivy League graduate and runs the organization. There is a brief interview with him on:

http://www.autismtreatmentcenter.org/

There is also a very beautiful movie called ‘In The Garden Of Sounds’, Italian, 2012 where a blind physical therapist is working with developmentally disabled children through sound, trying to find the place where the two can connect. Watching the joy in some of the children, as they learned to communicate and interact with the outside world is truly heart-warming. It portrayed a very powerful side of the human spirit. Warning: Kleenex will be required.
 
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#11
Yes, but that isn't quite what the video said. As I heard it, yes she received a lot of therapy, but it didn't seem to have done much until she found the computer. Was she reading books before that time?

I mentioned ESP because there have been a number of suggestions that such children do exhibit ESP.

I'm just not sure what to make of it.

David
Plus there's the stuff in Irreducible Mind about savants. I mean we don't yet have explanations for those gifts either.
 
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PTEHA

#12
Another autistic's story https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Sharp and http://www.laserbeakman.com/

Also Music therapy for dementia patients switches things back on again instantly. Dr Maggie Haertsch: "Music predates language. There's something very primal about music."
see http://www.abc.net.au/catalyst/stories/4421003.htm video/transcript

Related: sounds of nature and anthropology. "Animal sounds and bird song have adapted to specific environments and habitats, but the use of sound has in turn shaped the evolution of different species. And that includes homo sapiens. Sound has formed us as social and cultural ‘animals’." Listening to nature by Andrew Skeoch 2016 http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/bigideas/listening-to-nature/7140244
and http://www.abc.net.au/radionational...we-can-learn-from-listening-to-nature/7184024

I'm lucky enough to live in an area where birdsongs continue 24/7 from before dawn past sunset, (many are mentioned in Andrews talk and recordings) with various flocks of birds turning up like clockwork through the year. It's very special to be able to stop and notice these simple aspects of life. It really makes a positive difference (to me).
 
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