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Mike Clelland said: "...to reject the spiritual component to the UFO abduction phenomenon takes willful denial."
i've been following Mr. Tsakarisis' interviews with Jacobs and the forum discussions with great interest. I have been interested in and reading widely on ufo related events, including interaction with beings, since around 1970, when i was eight. Even then, the first thing which captured my attention was the striking psychological/spiritual/ontological reactions of the witnesses, which did not seem to follow from the physical reports (seeing a bright light in the sky, for example, or a strange machine). Mr. Clelland encapsulates my reaction to Jacobs' work quite succintly and accurately.
And this is the reason I have never cared for Jacobs's work. He is quite obviously putting a major spin on whatever evidence he claims he is gathering, nevermind the recklessness of generating altered states of consciousness in people who's very ground of reality has been shaken by their encounter with the unknown.
Hello Saiko. "You are taking a person's reaction to an event and using it as a description of the event itself." No, Mike Clelland is not. If you actually took the time and attention to go to his website and spend a while reading his writings and listening to his interviews with dozens of witnesses, you would become very aware of Mr. Clelland's excruciating approach to these events, teasing apart what a person could see, what they could hear, what they were feeling, what they were thinking, what about the other people, trace evidence, and etc. Mike is simply reporting what many many of these witnesses say, themselves, is part of what they experienced. Even Vallee, trained as a physical scientist, talks about this aspect of the phenomenon extensively and points out that this side of the topic frankly has a much more profound effect on society at large, as well as individuals.
I have said it before and i will say it again right now. The best intro to the various aspects of this phenomenon is Vallee's Contact trilogy : Confrontations, Dimensions, Revelations. Saiko, you'll be happy to hear that Confrontations focuses quite strongly on the variety of physical evidence. Mike Clelland's work is a fantastic collection which truly reflects the depth of the impact of this phenomenon on the people who come in contact with it.
Anyone looking for truly ground-breaking work on the abduction aspect of the ufo field would be better served by reading Ann Druffel and Scott Rogo's book "The Tujunga Canyon Contacts", published in 1980. Much to the authors' credit, the book contains two 'wrap up' chapters where each author lays out their own, differing, interpretation of the events and facts. (As a side note, Mrs. Druffel brings up the possibility of djinn involvement in these encounters a good three decades before Rosemary Ellen Guiley jumped on the bandwagon, without referencing Mrs. Druffel's work.) Sadly Scott Rogo was murdered not long after the book was published, but Mrs. Druffel is still alive and writing.
I am sad to say i will not be able to respond to any questions/comments, i am over-booked as it is and really don't have time to even post this comment. But. as a long-time observer of the ufo/abduction field, i had to pop in to very heartily second Mike Clelland's observation on Dave Jacobs' pig-headed tunnel vision ("pig-headed" is my own adjective, Mike is too nice a guy to say anything that crude). Happy Day All! steph
i've been following Mr. Tsakarisis' interviews with Jacobs and the forum discussions with great interest. I have been interested in and reading widely on ufo related events, including interaction with beings, since around 1970, when i was eight. Even then, the first thing which captured my attention was the striking psychological/spiritual/ontological reactions of the witnesses, which did not seem to follow from the physical reports (seeing a bright light in the sky, for example, or a strange machine). Mr. Clelland encapsulates my reaction to Jacobs' work quite succintly and accurately.
And this is the reason I have never cared for Jacobs's work. He is quite obviously putting a major spin on whatever evidence he claims he is gathering, nevermind the recklessness of generating altered states of consciousness in people who's very ground of reality has been shaken by their encounter with the unknown.
Hello Saiko. "You are taking a person's reaction to an event and using it as a description of the event itself." No, Mike Clelland is not. If you actually took the time and attention to go to his website and spend a while reading his writings and listening to his interviews with dozens of witnesses, you would become very aware of Mr. Clelland's excruciating approach to these events, teasing apart what a person could see, what they could hear, what they were feeling, what they were thinking, what about the other people, trace evidence, and etc. Mike is simply reporting what many many of these witnesses say, themselves, is part of what they experienced. Even Vallee, trained as a physical scientist, talks about this aspect of the phenomenon extensively and points out that this side of the topic frankly has a much more profound effect on society at large, as well as individuals.
I have said it before and i will say it again right now. The best intro to the various aspects of this phenomenon is Vallee's Contact trilogy : Confrontations, Dimensions, Revelations. Saiko, you'll be happy to hear that Confrontations focuses quite strongly on the variety of physical evidence. Mike Clelland's work is a fantastic collection which truly reflects the depth of the impact of this phenomenon on the people who come in contact with it.
Anyone looking for truly ground-breaking work on the abduction aspect of the ufo field would be better served by reading Ann Druffel and Scott Rogo's book "The Tujunga Canyon Contacts", published in 1980. Much to the authors' credit, the book contains two 'wrap up' chapters where each author lays out their own, differing, interpretation of the events and facts. (As a side note, Mrs. Druffel brings up the possibility of djinn involvement in these encounters a good three decades before Rosemary Ellen Guiley jumped on the bandwagon, without referencing Mrs. Druffel's work.) Sadly Scott Rogo was murdered not long after the book was published, but Mrs. Druffel is still alive and writing.
I am sad to say i will not be able to respond to any questions/comments, i am over-booked as it is and really don't have time to even post this comment. But. as a long-time observer of the ufo/abduction field, i had to pop in to very heartily second Mike Clelland's observation on Dave Jacobs' pig-headed tunnel vision ("pig-headed" is my own adjective, Mike is too nice a guy to say anything that crude). Happy Day All! steph