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Forbidden ScienceThis show is apparently about a book. I may be distracted because I'm listening to the show right now, but I don't see the name of the book mentioned either on the website or here in the discussion. So, which book are we talking about?
While that is undoubtedly true, if government wants to keep UFOs secret they've made a terrible job of it. NATO bigwigs, police chiefs, former senators, combat and civil aviation pilots are happy to talk about their experiences to camera. Cover-ups are amateur, as in the Phoenix case where the authorities dropped flares an hour after the sighting so they could legitimately claim people probably saw flares in the night sky. Because a humourless government lackie tells observers nothing happened tonight does not mean his superiors have a pickled grey in Area 51. More likely is the fact no one including chiefs of staff have a clue what's going on. The Whitehouse can't keep a blowjob quiet so intergalactic contact is unlikely to evade the whistle blowers. If aliens wanted discretion and the ears of the powerful, why would they appear to a few thousand people in Belgium or Japanese 747 pilots?Once you give a government agency the power to decide what should be kept secret, you have given them a tool they can use to usurp power and human nature will never let them give up that power. The power to classify information has given the intelligence agencies the power to do whatever they want and they have used that power to take over the government: They can classify anything they choose so no one can find out what they are doing or question the need for their activities or secrecy. They gain influence over defense contractors by awarding government contracts.
well put. he has clearly distinguished himself.Vallee has managed to overcome this issue in a way that few others have. He has pointed out the need for basics such as a comprehensive database of information on UFO sightings. He has helped to set up companies doing the types of scientific analysis required for his latest work on isotopic analysis of anomalous aerial artifacts. And he quietly continues to collect data and preserve it as best he can.
Alex's question at the end of the podcast:
What do you make of the "ordinary" way Dr. Valee talks about such extraordinary events--particularly extraordinary science--and does this reflect some deeper knowledge about things that most of us just don't know about?
ok, but the problem with McKenna's blurring of form and consciousness is that it doesn't take long until we reach the nonsensical... and while that might be where we wind up it's not where most of us live :)
so, if McKenna's UFO appeared out of the mist and returned there, and if that means all material objects do the same then what's the point doing anything. I like playing the consensus reality game... at least a little bit :)
Gordon Cooper, in an address to the United Nations, said:
“I believe that these extraterrestrial vehicles and their crews
are visiting this planet from other planets . . . For many years,
I have lived with a secret, in a secrecy imposed on all specialists
and astronauts. I can now reveal that every day, in the
United States, our radar instruments capture objects of form
and composition unknown to us. And there are thousands of
witness reports and a quantity of documents to prove this,
but nobody wants to make them public.”
That sounds like the flying saucers are from hell claims of some fundamentalist Christians. If inhabitants of another planet are responsible for the phenomenon, and if those entities are sufficiently technologically advanced to be able to eliminate our capacity to challenge their incursions, the style of their appearance is coy and cryptic enough to exhibit no meaningful plan. Communication media over the C20th and C21st has meant the idea of others has entered popular consciousness, rather than being restricted to isolated individuals and groups, and some people don't care either way while others think of little else.Witnesses of UFO phenomena undergo a manipulative and staged spectacle, meant to alter their belief system, and eventually, influence human society by suggesting alien intervention from outer space. The ultimate motivation for this deception is probably a projected major change of human society, the breaking down of old belief systems and the implementation of new ones. Vallée states that the evidence, if carefully analyzed, suggests an underlying plan for the deception of mankind by means of unknown, highly advanced methods.
That sounds like the flying saucers are from hell claims of some fundamentalist Christians.
one of the things I wanted to draw out in this interview was that the "consciousness explanation" by itself doesn't necessarily explain the phenomenon any better than the extraterrestrial hypothesis. and that some folks might be taking what Jacques Vallee has said the wrong way.Would have liked more on his views of consciousness, as Vallee was the first to question the materialistic paradigm that it is obviously a physical solid universe with physical ETs and ships. but a good interview.