1. The existence of a spirit has yet to be proven.
For many, the existence of the spirit is a foregone conclusion, but despite its popularity, it remains an extraordinary supernatural claim, one that requires equally extraordinary evidence (and not just anecdotal stories). If people really can exist apart from the bodies, this should be something that can be proven, and we need repeatable experiments that can demonstrates this claim.
5. Who’s religious NDE should we believe?
If your sceptical friend is willing to play fair (e.g. not try to trash discussions, or abuse people, or just talk in vague generalities), he would of course be welcome here! We seem to have ended up with very few sceptics who want to genuinely argue their case - I can't think why :)Actually the sceptic who brought this point up was an atheist materialist and he got so desperate( because he couldn't refute the nde scientific evidence ) that he resorted to using a link from a fundamentalist site .
I suspect the evidence for reincarnation is also pretty strong - it is just that researchers have to go and look for it, rather than encounter patients who are reporting an NDE to the staff in a hospital.Hehe yea David i asked hm to come here but he's more comfortable on Twitter with his band of pseudo sceptics .
Ever since I started looking into nde research 6 years ago I find the scientific evidence for survival to be simply amazing and a huge headache for materialists .
I've never seen sceptics abandon science , reason and logic the way they do when confronted by nde evidence .
Well you will need dentures if you follow the above link, because the guy is Fundamentalist Christian and arguing like a materialist - just because he doesn't think non-Christians should have pleasant NDE's!I don't know what grinds my teeth more religious fundamentalists or materialist fundamentalists
Perhaps they want to be right more than anything else? Almost like some religious people, they're convinced they're right and will not or cannot admit anything which challenges their belief system. So it needs to be rationalised away - however tenuously. Once we adopt a particular belief as being definitively correct, we run the risk of looking for reasons to dismiss anything that might suggest we were wrong.I can't for the life of me understand why any human being would want to dogmatically want to not exist after physical death to the point that they would deny even the scientific evidence for survival
I'm completely baffled
http://ncu9nc.blogspot.com/2013/07/materialist-explanations-of-ndes-fail.html#nde_explain_anecdoteJim yes can you explain the term anecdote a bit more ? What constitutes an anecdotes and what doesn't constitute an anecdote ?
Not necessarily. Apart from a few highly interpretable passages, the bible speaks of a physical resurrection and not of a seperate soul or spirit. The terms "soul" and "spirit" are used a little differently in the bible to the way we tend to use them.His first point seems particularly idiotic for a Christian:
Very many years ago, I used to be a Christian, and I never got the idea that people would be physically resurrected - what would that even mean when the atoms of which a person might have been made would have been scattered and maybe been part of a number of people over time!Not necessarily. Apart from a few highly interpretable passages, the bible speaks of a physical resurrection and not of a seperate soul or spirit. The terms "soul" and "spirit" are used a little differently in the bible to the way we tend to use them.
I wonder if you have read the new testament yourself or whether you trusted your leaders too much. ! Corinthians 15:42 says for example "42So will it be with the resurrection of the dead: What is sown is perishable; it is raised imperishable. 43It is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness; it is raised in power.…" If you search any online concordance in the New Testament for "resurrection" you will see many many bible passages about it. Having said this I have relooked at your post and noticed that he doesn't believe in the supernatural. Now that is bizarre for a christian! I don't know how resurrection would work in practice but I wasn't arguing for its reality. I don't wish to preach on this forum.Very many years ago, I used to be a Christian, and I never got the idea that people would be physically resurrected - what would that even mean when the atoms of which a person might have been made would have been scattered and maybe been part of a number of people over time!
David
I am not contending for my faith. I am not refuting NDE evidence. If somebody proves me wrong to my satisfaction I will gladly admit my error and change my mind. Please don't be angry - I would rather be friendly with people of ALL persuasions.4. Why do NDEs vary with culture?
'In my fathers house are many mansions'
13. Why don’t only Christians have positive NDEs?
many Christians are not very Christlike..
& plenty of those of other religions or none are.
I've read that something like 98% of the human body's atoms are replaced every decade or so. A sort of ongoing "resurrection"?Very many years ago, I used to be a Christian, and I never got the idea that people would be physically resurrected - what would that even mean when the atoms of which a person might have been made would have been scattered and maybe been part of a number of people over time!
David
I am not contending for my faith. I am not refuting NDE evidence. If somebody proves me wrong to my satisfaction I will gladly admit my error and change my mind. Please don't be angry - I would rather be friendly with people of ALL persuasions.
In my Fathers house are many mansions is a good point and I will be thinking about it for some time but it doesn't entirely negate my point. The word "resurrection" is everywhere in the New Testament.
That is an interesting point. I have thought before that this is evidence that we were made to live forever. As far as I am aware though, brain cells don't get replaced when they die.I've read that something like 98% of the human body's atoms are replaced every decade or so. A sort of ongoing "resurrection"?
You are welcome.:)My post wasn't a reply to yourself , but to the OP link I'd been browsing through - & saw some questions easily answerable.(IMO)
I think I just happened to post near yours time-wise. In fact I hadn't seen your one till I checked my own post.
All the best :)
I've read that something like 98% of the human body's atoms are replaced every decade or so. A sort of ongoing "resurrection"?