Greg Mallozzi’s New Film About Andrija Puharich |370| Dr. Andrija Puharich researched ESP and psychedelics, brought Uri Geller to the USA, and held seances with aliens… all while working for the deep state. photo by: Skeptiko (clip from the movie Altered Minds…) MKUltra… (disturbing music)… No matter how deep you dig, the only thing you’ll find is more lies… (disturbing music) I’m not the monster in the closet with the electrodes and the drones… oh my god! That’s a clip from the 2015 movie, Altered Minds. The movie gives a human side to the story of MKUltra. That is, the horrible mind control and psychedelic brainwashing experiments done on behalf of us Americans, and Canadians too, by our deep state friends who were “keeping us safe.” The reason I play this clip, and the reason why it’s particularly relevant to today’s wide ranging show on Andrija Puharich, is that our history, the history of parapsychology, the history of the deep state, the history of mind control, the history of the paranormal, is always a lot more complicated than it seems, and that’s because there are these amazing people like Andrija Puharich, who are at the center of these stories. Greg Mallozzi: We have footage of this, I mean, he was there, with a rather small team, I think a guy with a video camera and maybe two other people, a translator, and you know, it’s just incredible, just to think about in the early 50s, here is this guy, romping through the jungle finding these mushrooms. What he did was, he would bring them back to his laboratory in Maine, the Round Table Foundation and he would do all sorts of ESP experiments. So, he would test somebody when they were not on mushrooms, and then he would test somebody when they were dosed on mushrooms, and like you said, his theory was that, when you’re on these things it enhances your ability, it enhances your extrasensory perception ability. Personally, I think there were some really interesting results. This is in The Sacred Mushroom book, if you read it, and there’s a little bit in his book, Beyond Telepathy, which came out around the same time, and there’s very convincing results. Of course, you know, people have all their different opinions on this kind of stuff, but… Alex Tsakiris: Let me jump in there, because part of the reason that people have a lot of different opinions is because of the way the whole psychedelic thing plays out, right? Greg Mallozzi: Yeah. Alex Tsakiris: So, you’ve already set it up, that he has these folks that he’s talking to, Army connections, what we call deep state connections, intelligence connections, but again, as you said before, we’ve got to put this in context, and I would add, we have to put it in a historical context. This is right after World War II, we don’t know what’s up. We know we’ve dodged a major bullet, in terms of controlling the whole world with fascism, so the CIA, the new minted CIA has kind of got a blank check to go and do whatever they have to, to kind of “keep us safe,” kind of thing, you’ve got to imagine. Greg Mallozzi: Exactly. Alex Tsakiris: Now, we find out later that one of the things they got interested in, really early on was, how do we control people… and what if we could control people? They can always spin it around and say, “Hey, we’re trying to protect you, we don’t want other people controlling you. So, if someone’s going to control you, we better be able to know what it is.” So, I just put that out there because it’s easy to take… I don’t want to give Puharich a free pass here, by any means, but what interests me is, what you just said, this guy doesn’t seem to be interested in, at least at this point, he’s not looking for the mind control aspect of it. It doesn’t seem like he’s all that interested in, although I want to kind of correct me or expand on this, you know, where he is on the spiritual aspect of it and extending beyond these consciousness realm. But his focus, what I found interesting, he’s like, “Darn, let’s see how…” He’s like the doctor scientist, “Let’s do experiments with this. Does this relate to telepathy? If you take the mushrooms, can you read my mind and I read your mind and what is that technology from a biological, medical perspective? Is there something going on in the brain that’s doing this?” He wants to know, he’s a curious guy. So, can you pull that apart for us, both how deep state he is at this point, number one, and then number two, is he looking at it from the spiritual standpoint, from the extended consciousness standpoint? You said he was talking to the big kahunas in Hawaii, obviously when you talk to those people, the shamanic people are saying, “Hey dude, you can go and play around with that stuff, but it ain’t about that.” Is that it, or is he coming at it from this kind of western thing, where he says, “Well, you just don’t know. You don’t old man, what it’s really about is getting control of it so we can turn it into another medicine.” I’ve put a lot on the table there to pull apart? Greg Mallozzi: It’s okay. Yeah, it’s interesting. In terms of the deep state, at that time, there’s documentation of this. Once again it gets murky with his involvement in some of these things, in terms of actual proof of what he did, where he was, who he was associated with. There’s a few things that show this, but he, at that time, was actually doing, sort of a tour, a lecture tour, and he was presenting papers about the possible uses of ESP in warfare, and he was giving these lectures at places like The Pentagon, Army Intelligence, all these sorts of places. Like you said, at that time there were sort of buying into this stuff, they thought that this could be helpful and he was the guy to go to for this. So, his name started to circulate around these sort of deep state areas. It’s interesting what you say, because I think, at first, he was doing a lot of research because that was his job, he was being contracted to do this research with LSD and with mushrooms, but I think his spiritual side really came in around that time. We’re talking mid-50s, early-60s, where I think he started to sort of see what the army’s plan was, what they planned to do with these substances, to control people, and it’s really dark stuff, and I think, for whatever reason, he was sort of horrified, I think, when he realized what they were really going to do with this stuff. So, our guest today is an independent filmmaker, Greg Mallozzi, who has taken upon himself to tackle this huge, and hugely important film project, documenting the life of Andrija Puharich. This interview is wide ranging because the life of Puharich is extremely wide ranging. At the end of this, we’re going to ask you to help this filmmaker. I’m trying to help him and I think we all need to try and help him, pitch in a little dough so he can get this film made. So, give it a listen, see if you think this is a worthy project to support, and of course, stay with me for Skeptiko.