Obiwan
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I think if I wanted to try LSD I'd trust someone I knew personally not a name on a forum.SKEPTIKO is home to many people with a whole range of opinions, but personal abuse can get you banned.
David
I think if I wanted to try LSD I'd trust someone I knew personally not a name on a forum.SKEPTIKO is home to many people with a whole range of opinions, but personal abuse can get you banned.
David
Thanks for putting up this question, Jim; it was the same I had while listening to the podcast and trying to figure out Alex's byline of "Jurgen Ziewe used lucid dreaming to travel outside of his body".I've had a few lucid dreams, but I am by no means an expert. In my experiences I realized I was dreaming and tried to "dream what I wanted to dream" and it worked to some extent. But I never felt it was anything other than fantasy like a daydream, a super-duper vivid realistic daydream, but fantasy nonetheless. I didn't think the lucid dreams were "real" in the same way I know a day dream is not real. It was something I created. So why do folks think lucid dreams are anything more than fantasy within one's skull. Why do folks think they produce reliable information about the afterlife?
Thanks Jurgen, that helps to explain the lucid dream-OBE connection.This power of focus also allowed me to transform a lucid dream into an OBE, often simply by focusing on my hands or the ground in front of me. A lucid dream is basically a dream being fed with information from your personal subconscious field, which allows you to do anything you fancy. But I transformed the "dream" into a waking experience in an alternate reality which you then can no longer manipulate in the same way as you can a lucid dream. It is like waking up in bed in the morning, except in this case, waking from a lucid dream and entering an alternate non-physical reality, which is as solid and stable as physical reality.
Thanks a lot for this JKMac. This helps me conceptualize the whole topic of lucid dreaming as potential access to extended consciousness vs. fantasy a bit more.After much experimenting and reading books such as those from Jurgen, I concluded that lucid dreaming (really any personal experience) isn't binary. It is comprised of infinite nuance. Especially early-on, the experience is rife with fantasy and various aspects of one's own being. And that with work, one can access more "rarefied" spaces that are inhabited by completely sentient and aware beings with something to offer and (amazingly) with lives of their own.
This helps too! :)The other thing I noticed when coming out of a lucid dream into consensual OBE environment. People, who have just been part of my lucid dream, disappear the moment I become aware, but the environment may still be the same or the dream scenery simply dissolves as I fix my attention on the ground or on my hands. My personal impression is that LDs and OBEs are closely linked and may even have fluid borders or overlap, but LDs are largely subjectively generated, hence you have these God-like powers as it is all of your own making. You may be sitting next to a lucid dreamer and see none of this as he/she is totally working on his or her own wavelength.
"In heaven there is no beer;
that is why we drink it here!"
-a Dutch Bible Professor I had in college
...carry on... :)
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When she pressed me further to be more specific I confessed to her that I do not belief in God. How can I? There is simply no reason to belief in God when every atom in the universe is living proof of its reality. We only have to open our eyes to the fact that we exist every moment of the day to have this fact confirmed in the living present that surrounds us and so there is no room for belief. There is only consciousness. There is nothing outside it. If it helps you to call this presence God that is up to you. I prefer the word consciousness or awareness of the present, because that’s what it is in essence and it is less laden with meaning and prejudice. Every atom in this universe is at its essence consciousness. Every person you meet and speak to is consciousness and at heart intimately related to you. Everywhere you walk you walk on hallowed ground and everybody you speak to is a “divine” being in its most poetic sense.
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Hey soul, once you read them, maybe you can consider putting up your impressions of them here:I will be getting his book(s).
I remain highly Skeptikal. I'm very glad Alex titled this show "claims to have…", because Jurgen seems to not be very deeply impacted by his experiences. i.e How has it effected his art? How has it changed his actions on earth besides meditating more? Has he really said anything new? Seems to me to be pretty close to what the Vedas said 4,000 years ago. And from his own back yard, he sounds like Rudolf Steiner for instance, who is still very popular in Germany.
From his comments here Jurgen seems to believe that ISIS is actually real and not a fabrication of the intelligence services. He seems to believe in man made global warming, another mostly hoax. He seems to believe in false memory syndrome promoted by the False Memory Syndrome Foundation which some say is also from intelligence and is used to hide its MK-Ultra cast-offs and pedophiles and is populated by super skeptics like accused pedophile James Randi.
When he mentioned Oculus Rift the alarm bells went off. No ideas on how to make life better on earth besides more entertainment? How about boycotting factory farms where millions of animals live in a constant state of torture? Or GMOs? Creating pesticide into every cell of a plant is not a good way to spend time in the physical realm is it? How about letting us know who really did 9-11? Didn't the angels tell him to DO anything besides meditate and reach for higher realms?
He's selling a lot of books. The spiritual world is rife with near universal fraud from the the time of the pharaohs who were worshipped as gods. Alex seems to believe Atwill when he says Christianity is a total fabrication. From the Mormons to Blavatsky and Scientology, A Course In Miracles, probably even Eckhart Tolle, etc.etc.
Great. The world is consciousness. I got that a long time ago. Now what? Sell books? Meditate? Escape? Be mindful, develop awareness. OK cool. Now what? Aren't we supposed to make the world a better place? Or is "better" a biased construct? Here's a quote, which sounds exactly like what the PTB would want intelligent sensitive peeps to do. Nothing. Or perhaps worry about their carbon footprint! Ha
"No, when you ask me to consider the next step, I would simply say there is no next step. To me there is only awareness of reality and responding to it without bias or prescribed formula."
I could go on and on.
I refuse the red pill and the green pill. I make my own pills.
I am seeing outright fraud with Jurgen however. But how can I prove it?
I think pretty much the Gita is one of the only books to provide a template. In so far as activism is negative - which I certainly get, one's attached to one's actions. This is what the Gita advised against. We have to act in the physical world, but we should not be attached to our actions.I remain highly Skeptikal. I'm very glad Alex titled this show "claims to have…", because Jurgen seems to not be very deeply impacted by his experiences. i.e How has it effected his art? How has it changed his actions on earth besides meditating more? Has he really said anything new? Seems to me to be pretty close to what the Vedas said 4,000 years ago. And from his own back yard, he sounds like Rudolf Steiner for instance, who is still very popular in Germany.
From his comments here Jurgen seems to believe that ISIS is actually real and not a fabrication of the intelligence services. He seems to believe in man made global warming, another mostly hoax. He seems to believe in false memory syndrome promoted by the False Memory Syndrome Foundation which some say is also from intelligence and is used to hide its MK-Ultra cast-offs and pedophiles and is populated by super skeptics like accused pedophile James Randi.
When he mentioned Oculus Rift the alarm bells went off. No ideas on how to make life better on earth besides more entertainment? How about boycotting factory farms where millions of animals live in a constant state of torture? Or GMOs? Creating pesticide into every cell of a plant is not a good way to spend time in the physical realm is it? How about letting us know who really did 9-11? Didn't the angels tell him to DO anything besides meditate and reach for higher realms?
He's selling a lot of books. The spiritual world is rife with near universal fraud from the the time of the pharaohs who were worshipped as gods. Alex seems to believe Atwill when he says Christianity is a total fabrication. From the Mormons to Blavatsky and Scientology, A Course In Miracles, probably even Eckhart Tolle, etc.etc.
Great. The world is consciousness. I got that a long time ago. Now what? Sell books? Meditate? Escape? Be mindful, develop awareness. OK cool. Now what? Aren't we supposed to make the world a better place? Or is "better" a biased construct? Here's a quote, which sounds exactly like what the PTB would want intelligent sensitive peeps to do. Nothing. Or perhaps worry about their carbon footprint! Ha
"No, when you ask me to consider the next step, I would simply say there is no next step. To me there is only awareness of reality and responding to it without bias or prescribed formula."
I could go on and on.
I refuse the red pill and the green pill. I make my own pills.
Its not like activism makes you happy. It kind of keeps you in a negative mindset or challenges you to deepen your faith so you don't stay negative. There are so many contradictions here it's very hard to write about.
I am seeing outright fraud with Jurgen however. But how can I prove it?
But maybe the psychic and soul realm is outside of science? Maybe science is only plausible with the material realm?
Is all of life a paradox?
What's a man to do? Carry on stay strong. trust and develop intuition. And if you have the courage or the need- fight evil?
Spiritual power gives very little back materially it seems. See what happened to the Tibetans and the American Indians. Sheesh. And it breaks my heart and makes me cynical and hateful of a world I believe to be based on joy and beauty.
Can anybody spell Job or Jesus? Nothing can be pinned down.
My head is spinning from the contradictions. it's a world of extremes. Antinomy.
Kinda makes ya wanna just sit and meditate. or make art for art's sake. hee hee
peace!
now I will have to leave you to further entangle yourselves with you deeply offensive comments, your prejudices and allow you to tend to your religions of alternative "truths". This is clearly not be a place where I belong.
@ Ginko, Hurmanetar:
When you are declared as an "outright fraud" which is based on more prejudice than you can wave a stick at, drawn from the new religions of conspiracy theory which mostly hold for truth anything that can be imagined as long as it is divorced from mainstream media and is allowed to remain unsupported by tangible evidence, then I have to ask myself what am I actually doing on such a forum?
Where people make assumptions about the depth of the author's feelings and artistic integrety, misread and misrepresent statements, condemn his use of new media of art (VR) without having a clue how it is applied, when they go unchallenged in discrediting his moral integrity without having the slightest idea about his deep involvement and commitment to worthy causes and charities, (because he is already branded as a fraud and clearly as such he naturally can have no moral compass), then I have to ask myself do I really want to respond or even be part of such a forum? When defamation seems to be tolerated, remains unchallenged and even becomes the subject of serious discussion rather than the nature of our human consciousness, then it is time for me to depart which I herewith do. Obviously I can have no part in this.
So now I will have to leave you to further entangle yourselves with you deeply offensive comments, your prejudices and allow you to tend to your religions of alternative "truths". This is clearly not be a place where I belong.
I would like to say thank you to Alex for granting me this interview though.
@ Ginko, Hurmanetar:
When you are declared as an "outright fraud" which is based on more prejudice than you can wave a stick at, drawn from the new religions of conspiracy theory which mostly hold for truth anything that can be imagined as long as it is divorced from mainstream media and is allowed to remain unsupported by tangible evidence, then I have to ask myself what am I actually doing on such a forum?
Where people make assumptions about the depth of the author's feelings and artistic integrety, misread and misrepresent statements, condemn his use of new media of art (VR) without having a clue how it is applied, when they go unchallenged in discrediting his moral integrity without having the slightest idea about his deep involvement and commitment to worthy causes and charities, (because he is already branded as a fraud and clearly as such he naturally can have no moral compass), then I have to ask myself do I really want to respond or even be part of such a forum? When defamation seems to be tolerated, remains unchallenged and even becomes the subject of serious discussion rather than the nature of our human consciousness, then it is time for me to depart which I herewith do. Obviously I can have no part in this.
So now I will have to leave you to further entangle yourselves with you deeply offensive comments, your prejudices and allow you to tend to your religions of alternative "truths". This is clearly not be a place where I belong.
I would like to say thank you to Alex for granting me this interview though.
Actually, allowing a variety of voices and opinions should be considered one of the most valued qualities of this forum. It should be encouraged. No one wants to be called a fraud and many of us here who have experience in alternative states of consciousness clearly know this isn't the case with Jurgen. Another response to such an accusation, which clearly comes from sheer ignorance, would be to expose that ignorance. Or to at least make an attempt until the accuser's bias becomes exposed and visible to others. Becoming "deeply offended" and running away, while understandably human, belies an apparent lack of equanimity.@ Ginko, Hurmanetar:
When you are declared as an "outright fraud" which is based on more prejudice than you can wave a stick at, drawn from the new religions of conspiracy theory which mostly hold for truth anything that can be imagined as long as it is divorced from mainstream media and is allowed to remain unsupported by tangible evidence, then I have to ask myself what am I actually doing on such a forum?
Where people make assumptions about the depth of the author's feelings and artistic integrety, misread and misrepresent statements, condemn his use of new media of art (VR) without having a clue how it is applied, when they go unchallenged in discrediting his moral integrity without having the slightest idea about his deep involvement and commitment to worthy causes and charities, (because he is already branded as a fraud and clearly as such he naturally can have no moral compass), then I have to ask myself do I really want to respond or even be part of such a forum? When defamation seems to be tolerated, remains unchallenged and even becomes the subject of serious discussion rather than the nature of our human consciousness, then it is time for me to depart which I herewith do. Obviously I can have no part in this.
So now I will have to leave you to further entangle yourselves with you deeply offensive comments, your prejudices and allow you to tend to your religions of alternative "truths". This is clearly not be a place where I belong.
I would like to say thank you to Alex for granting me this interview though.