How to defeat materialists with their own matter and laws.

#1
Scientific materialism assumes matter and energy can account for all of reality. Abiogenesis (life from nonlife) and evolution (the formation of the panoply of life) are spawns of this philosophy.

One of many ways to defeat materialism is to consider the origin of free will.

Materialists would say the choices we make in life can be reduced to neuronal functions that in turn result from biochemical and atomic actions. However, atoms obey physical laws, such as those governing nuclear forces and electromagnetism. Atoms don't choose whether they obey or not. They are robotic slaves to these laws. That's why chemists can predictably synthesize the things they do. So much of chemical A plus so much of B, under certain conditions, will create so much of C. This occurs without fail over and over.

Yet humans, composed of such atoms, have the ability to choose. Therefore, atoms cannot account for this human ability. The ability must, therefore, come from elsewhere, elsewhere than matter.

The only out for materialists is to claim the implausible, namely that we have no free will and all actions are deterministic going back to the Big Bang.

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These nonreligious concepts are developed more fully here if interested. https://www.asifthinkingmatters.com...s-second-edition/15-free-will-proves-creation
 
#3
Thanks, that is true. However, free will cannot be equated with randomness. Atoms behave randomly at one level, and obey absolute natural laws at another level. Neither of these behaviors can be equated with free will.
 
#6
I would say a very powerful argument against Abiogenesis and evolution by natural selection is being put forward by scientists at the Discovery Institute. I wrote about one new aspect of this work here:

http://www.skeptiko-forum.com/threads/behes-argument-in-darwin-devolved.4317/

The main problem is that most scientists just try to ignore tricky areas like this.

The problem with free will is glaring, of course, but people gradually become complacent about such things as believing they don't have free will - and indeed when you argue with a materialist on this point, they will produce a variety of variants of free will!

David
 
#7
Good points. Yes, free will is argued against but if you research those arguments they will fry your brain. Gobbledygook through and through.
Behe presents some very good arguments indeed. The Christian baggage he has turns many off before they can give what he has to say fair consideration. Behe is an example of how Biblical creationists turn their rational brains on and off so adroitly. I point this out in more detail here with the free book. https://www.asifthinkingmatters.com/
 
#8
Good points. Yes, free will is argued against but if you research those arguments they will fry your brain. Gobbledygook through and through.
Behe presents some very good arguments indeed. The Christian baggage he has turns many off before they can give what he has to say fair consideration. Behe is an example of how Biblical creationists turn their rational brains on and off so adroitly. I point this out in more detail here with the free book. https://www.asifthinkingmatters.com/
Behe and most of the DI's science team seem to be pretty good at explaining the science without bringing God into the picture. I think they know they have some very strong arguments and they want to influence as many people as possible.

The thing is, you can't defeat materialists in a logical argument, because they don't stick to logic. They wriggle an way to avoid that, and for the time being they have a receptive audience that still do not appreciate the science is.

I think Behe's latest argument is particularly strong - it is worth getting that clear in your head if you haven't already done do.

David
 
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