soulatman
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I am posting this here because i just stumbled upon this question on one of my forays into the land of the web. It was a web link I clicked on, skim read through, and quickly and predictably ascertained it was a Catholic propaganda piece, designed to gently nudge those with doubts towards Catholism.
The question made me chuckle synically.
My synicism is because I already know the answer to what then, and it aint pretty! The horrific truth is, an unthinkable number of people roasting for an erternity. A more modern and hugely watered down version sees countless billions in a lesser or lower eternal realm, never able to reach the ultimate heights of the faithful, or to realise their true potential. They exist comfortably, but they screwed up their chance at perfection through lack of faith, so they are now forced to remain at this lesser state eternally.
This has never made sense. The roasting version is very easy to revolt against, and similarly, the watered down version is too, but it surrepticiously hides it's injustice behind a facade of pleasantness.
It occured to me that his whole judgment thing on any level is is simply ridiculous. It is childish, petty, and bourgoise.
If this system is in place, and God is all wise, then it would follow he is also cruel, as any idiot can see, with a bit of thought, that you can't judge a host of individuals in radically different times, environments, cultural backgrounds along a singular and simple dimension of faith, or even goodness for that matter.
To simplify this, lets say I had made a billion little robots with little wheels. I then decide I am going to sort out which ones are keepers, and which ones are not worth keeping, and my singular criteria for judging their worth is that they are able to travel a distance of 1000 meters before their battery runs out.
Now if I am to truly test their worth against this criteria, and get a reliable picture of their worth, I must launch them all along the same type of surface. They can adequately be judged, ONLY if they have undergone IDENTICAL trials.
It would make no sense to launch some on flat easy ground, some on gravel, some across active battlefields, others across mud, and others over mountains, snow etc etc. Yet this is exactly what God has supposedly done according to the Abrahamic faiths.
If you think about the myriad different circumstances people are born into, some to total comfort, ease and security, others into utter sqaulid desperation and disease, filth and horror. How on earth can this single criteria of faith, or even doing the right thing, be a sufficient measuring stick?
There are such huge differences of circumstance between us humans, such diverse starting points for each of us, that this simplified criteria makes no sense whatsoever.
If this is in fact the set up, then it makes God either cruel, or dumb, and by definition God be neither of these things, in which case also by definition, this cannot be the set up. So, Catholicism is by definition, wrong.
The question "If Catholicism were true, then what" is therefore utterly redundant, because it logically follows Catholism simply cannot be right.
What do you all think? Am I missing something? Can the Catholic (or any Abrahamic) faith be redeemed?
The question made me chuckle synically.
My synicism is because I already know the answer to what then, and it aint pretty! The horrific truth is, an unthinkable number of people roasting for an erternity. A more modern and hugely watered down version sees countless billions in a lesser or lower eternal realm, never able to reach the ultimate heights of the faithful, or to realise their true potential. They exist comfortably, but they screwed up their chance at perfection through lack of faith, so they are now forced to remain at this lesser state eternally.
This has never made sense. The roasting version is very easy to revolt against, and similarly, the watered down version is too, but it surrepticiously hides it's injustice behind a facade of pleasantness.
It occured to me that his whole judgment thing on any level is is simply ridiculous. It is childish, petty, and bourgoise.
If this system is in place, and God is all wise, then it would follow he is also cruel, as any idiot can see, with a bit of thought, that you can't judge a host of individuals in radically different times, environments, cultural backgrounds along a singular and simple dimension of faith, or even goodness for that matter.
To simplify this, lets say I had made a billion little robots with little wheels. I then decide I am going to sort out which ones are keepers, and which ones are not worth keeping, and my singular criteria for judging their worth is that they are able to travel a distance of 1000 meters before their battery runs out.
Now if I am to truly test their worth against this criteria, and get a reliable picture of their worth, I must launch them all along the same type of surface. They can adequately be judged, ONLY if they have undergone IDENTICAL trials.
It would make no sense to launch some on flat easy ground, some on gravel, some across active battlefields, others across mud, and others over mountains, snow etc etc. Yet this is exactly what God has supposedly done according to the Abrahamic faiths.
If you think about the myriad different circumstances people are born into, some to total comfort, ease and security, others into utter sqaulid desperation and disease, filth and horror. How on earth can this single criteria of faith, or even doing the right thing, be a sufficient measuring stick?
There are such huge differences of circumstance between us humans, such diverse starting points for each of us, that this simplified criteria makes no sense whatsoever.
If this is in fact the set up, then it makes God either cruel, or dumb, and by definition God be neither of these things, in which case also by definition, this cannot be the set up. So, Catholicism is by definition, wrong.
The question "If Catholicism were true, then what" is therefore utterly redundant, because it logically follows Catholism simply cannot be right.
What do you all think? Am I missing something? Can the Catholic (or any Abrahamic) faith be redeemed?
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