Joe Martino Sees a Consciousness Shift… And That’s a Good Thing |316|

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  1. David Bailey

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    Do you think he didn't come across too well in the podcast, or is it that I should not have been listening for concepts relating to ψ at all? I mean the concept of a consciousness shift seems ψ-relatedto me.

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  2. I think Psi is too small for what Joe is getting at, something felt rather than explained that isn't based around anomalies but how the world works in a nonmechanistic way.

    He could be wrong about much, in fact I'd probably question some of his ideas, but OTOH he's talking about a life view, a reality tunnel, and not the science of parapsychology or philosophy of mind.

    I see us older more technical argument oriented folks as providing the soil of potential meaning the materialist cults would poison and the religious fundies would exploit. It's similar to how Nagarjuna lays out an extended argument for Nondualist metaphysics while knowing that an advanced understanding of philosophy of mind isn't at all necessary for attaining Nirvana.

    But the kind of culture Joe is trying to grow will, if successful, be part of what brings Psi research out of the cold...even if none of us regulars are around to see it. Kinda sad as I was looking forward to a lot of pseudoskeptical hypemen eating crow...but the entrance of humanity into a higher level of consciousness is more important....I guess. ;)

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  3. Typoz

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    http://www.skeptiko-forum.com/threa...-and-he’s-serious-314.3241/page-14#post-91992

    http://www.skeptiko-forum.com/threa...-and-he’s-serious-314.3241/page-14#post-91967
     
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    I think Trump plays the anti-establishment card but in reality he is the epitome of the establishment, he's an extremely rich man who has been very close to various politicians for years.

    We've debated Trump before but I find the support for him despite some of the bad ideas he's put firsts, various horrible stuff he's says etc he retains widespread support to be worrying.
     
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    yeah, no psi in this interview.
     
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    nice... and I agree with what you're alluding to... i.e. a mass migration from one belief system to another is probably more likely than a brick by brick dismantling of the castle.
     
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  7. I think it's a bit of both. There are a lot more people who don't care about research or philosophy - they're looking for a world view that can be lived. Will this exert some pressure on academia?

    I think to an extent, as we switch from the religious nuttery of the past with all its endless recriminations about what to feel guilty about toward something more positive. This in turn lowers the impetus of skepticism, which already suffers from the problem of trying to build humanism on conceptions of reality that make every human action worthless.

    On the other hand as field effects, information-centric science, and quantum biology grow in prominence the idea that Psi is impossible even in the modern conception of reality becomes an increasingly hollow argument.
     
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