. Sorry to intrude on your private debate here, but it seems to me that your explanation is the conventional explanation of who the "hippies" were and how they came to be. It fails to acknowledge or take into account all of the strange affiliations that have been uncovered between the leaders of such movements -- and military intelligence/cointelpro. What do you make of those connections? Are you unaware of them or do you simply dismiss them as mere coincidence/irrelevant? And why don't more members of the mainstream public know about these shadowy connections? I would argue that most people's understanding of what happened in the 60's-70's is largely ignorant of the military's/cointelpro role in helping to shape/create/maneuver it -- other than the now openly admitted infiltration of groups like Weathermen, SDS, Black Panthers, etc...It is only very recently that the term "MK Ultra" has begun to seep into public awareness. I wonder what will happen when the strange military intelligence affiliations/connections reach greater audiences? Will the historical accounts change to reflect this still largely unknown/hidden aspect? I also think the resort to using the derisive motif of "NWO Illuminati" is an attempt to silence legitimate conversation -- for whatever reasons. There is plenty of material to support the existence of an organized/networked Western oligarchy -- with its network of institutions and organizations that do, in fact, largely engineer/determine global military actions/events, economic/financial policies, and cultural zeitgeists that shape and restructure our world. They go by names far less "funny" than the "NWO illuminati."