Mod+ Leslie Flint Independent Direct Voice Mediumship

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I am starting this thread as a number of what I believe to be credible people have put forward Leslie Flint as a medium par excellence. Flint's mediumship involves Independent Direct Voice phenomena where he allows spirit to speak through an ectoplasmic voice box that Flint facilitates (I am told channelling is the wrong term). However, I don't see anything remarkable, in fact I am concerned that it seems to me like fakery (I am very hopeful that I am wrong).

I did not want to post this topic in the Skeptics vs Believers as I personally am very convinced in the authenticity of mediumship, particularly people like John Edward and others who have been investigated by the likes of Gary Schwartz, and others. As such, I don't want to tangle with skeptics stuck in the brain = mind paradigm. I want to discuss this with people who are beyond that.

My first concern came when I looked up Flint on youtube channelling (sorry wrong term) Sir Arthur Conan Doyle. The voice coming through Flint certainly seemed to have a lot in common with sir Arthur, however, his very subtle Scottish accent was missing. Flint's Conan Doyle had absolutely no hint of Scottish.

Here is Flint:

Here is Sir Arthur:

Someone said that if I understood more about this phenomena, I would realise that accents are not important, however I do not see why or how this can be so. Especially in light of the fact that other voices have very strong accents.


For example, I recently viewed a youtube video of Flint being the medium for the the voice of Frederich Chopin (French Composer). The voice had a very clear and very strong French accent. Why would this be so if accents were not important?


Also, I heard Mahatma Gandhi (one of my biggest hero's, a voice I am intimately familiar with) coming from Flint, clearly an accent is attempted, but absolutely nothing like Gandhi's accent (nor his tone). Honestly, I don't know what to make of this, or how to reconcile these inaccuracies and inadequacies. What compels anyone to say these communications are genuine? I am genuinely interested.
 
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good topic soulatman

Let me ask you something.

How is it possible to replicate the same voice - when the original physical organs are no longer there (which gave rise to our unique individual voice...)

furthermore , which voice should be used - one when the communicator was 8 , 28 or 80 ? (thats not so big a detail though)

I am convinced these were genuine btw in case anyone thinks I'm skeptical.
 
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good topic soulatman

Let me ask you something.

How is it possible to replicate the same voice - when the original physical organs are no longer there (which gave rise to our unique individual voice...)

furthermore , which voice should be used - one when the communicator was 8 , 28 or 80 ? (thats not so big a detail though)

I am convinced these were genuine btw in case anyone thinks I'm skeptical.
I appreciate that physical limitations can and must be imposed, making the voice sound somewhat different, however, accent, intonation, pace etc really ought not to be one of the limitations. If it were, then they would all sound English, and not attempt a French (Chopin) or Indian (Gandhi). In fact, in Gandhi's case, he often sounds more African than Indian.

What other than the fact that voices are mysteriously manifesting is there to show these are genuine spirit communications? What validates that these voices belong to those people they claim to be? Because the accents for me somewhat invalidate this sadly.

Can you hear the difference between flints Sir arthur and the real sir arthur? Their pitch pace and tone sound very similar, and the accents are close except for the fact that Sir Arthur has the subtlest (but to a native brit obvious) hint of Scottish. There is no reason for that to vanish. Accent is easier to convey than pitch or tone. It seems he can do a wonderful French accent, but awful Indian, and Scottish. Why?
 
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What other than the fact that voices are mysteriously manifesting is there to show these are genuine spirit communications? What validates that these voices belong to those people they claim to be? Because the accents for me somewhat invalidate this sadly.
I wouldn't call it such a mystery, because they do explain how the voices are produced.
this is a recording of 'David' explaining :
' the mechanics of the voice box used for direct voice communications'


http://www.leslieflint.com/davidswf.htm

Persevere with it as it becomes clearer ,although it's a poorer quality recording
 
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I am starting this thread as a number of what I believe to be credible people have put forward Leslie Flint as a medium par excellence. Flint's mediumship involves Independent Direct Voice phenomena where he allows spirit to speak through an ectoplasmic voice box that Flint facilitates (I am told channelling is the wrong term). However, I don't see anything remarkable, in fact I am concerned that it seems to me like fakery (I am very hopeful that I am wrong).
You don't find that a common man sitting in a public auditorium and private seance with a spirit scientist materialized voice box on his shoulder mediating conversations (not channel chatter but live incarnate-discarnate conversations) with hundreds perhaps thousands of dead people remarkable?

Heck, what a life you must lead. lol
 
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What validates that these voices belong to those people they claim to be?
It could sometimes be people claiming to be someone else, theres no doubt that goes on in all forms of mediumship.
It happens in this life ,and people don't change greatly or very quickly, just because they no longer have use of a physical body .
The medium is at the mercy of those who control and organize the séance on the other side getting things right.

But remember that most of the recordings were for individuals - who's relatives came through were and personal to themselves.
 
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You don't find that a common man sitting in a public auditorium and private seance with a spirit scientist materialized voice box on his shoulder mediating conversations (not channel chatter but live incarnate-discarnate conversations) with hundreds perhaps thousands of dead people unremarkable?

Heck, what a life you must lead. lol
Hahahahaha.

Of course it is remarkable, it is astonishing and world changing.

Which is why it is so important to be sure it is 100% authentic spirit communication, and not something (I know not what) else.
 
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What other than the fact that voices are mysteriously manifesting is there to show these are genuine spirit communications? What validates that these voices belong to those people they claim to be? Because the accents for me somewhat invalidate this sadly.
What real difference does it make if Valentino sounds like a Canuck if Valentino provides indisputable information about his life - or any other subject - that only Valentino, Flint (who knew Valentino when he was alive) and/or the sitter (Lynn Russell who wrote Valentino's post- mortem biography from the 30+ incarnate-discarnate conversations she had with him) could possibly have known?

This is the test of spirit, it's the only test that matters. It is never how anything is communicated but what is communicated that verifies the survival of death evidence.

No matter what Kai Muegee, David Thompson, Warren Caylor and their phenomenon shows want to sell. :eek:

Betty Greene and George Woods sat with Leslie Flint for over 15 years. Think about that. For fifteen years they recorded over 200 conversations many of which were between the discarnates and their loved ones, information passing through the mediation of Flint that Flint, Woods and Greene had no earthly idea or capability to know.

You're watching the ants while the elephants march by. :D
 
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I wouldn't call it such a mystery, because they do explain how the voices are produced.
this is a recording of 'David' explaining :
' the mechanics of the voice box used for direct voice communications'


http://www.leslieflint.com/davidswf.htm

Persevere with it as it becomes clearer ,although it's a poorer quality recording
http://www.leslieflint.com/transcripts_david.html

Flint with ectoplasmic larynx. Cute, yes?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/2d/Leslie_Flint_with_Ectoplasm.jpg
 
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Interesting and yes quite cute! I wonder when was the last time infra red cameras were used in seances? Must try and find the SPR transcripts.:)
http://www.parapsych.org/articles/9/189/gilbert_roller_fund_2013_awardees.aspx

Mark Boccuzzi (Co-Founder, Windbridge Institute) will explore the potential application of digital infrared thermographic imaging in the investigation of macroscopic psychokinetic phenomena during field investigations of physical mediumship. In previous research of this type the medium’s need for near-complete darkness has been a previous point of criticism. The use of new passive low-lighting technology may aid in the documentation of apparently anomalous events in sittings with physical mediums and thereby produce visible images for continued study. Boccuzzi will use the new tech in ongoing investigations of table-tipping and other physical phenomena that have been reported to in the presence of a Windbridge Certified Research Medium (WCRM).
The last time? Webber maybe?
 
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Didnt know Boccuzzi was working on that and also found some physical phenomena - thanks for that Tyler.
The Flint Ecto..Larynx - looks too limp to produce any Gusto!?
The Mickey voice as a female angle - like a middle age-ish woman?
Its interesting a lot old EVP stuff (using original techniques) produces voices that are accentless, almost synthetic. Thats before the days of Apps etc.
 
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Didnt know Boccuzzi was working on that and also found some physical phenomena - thanks for that Tyler.
The Flint Ecto..Larynx - looks too limp to produce any Gusto!?
Sometimes the limpest things can arise anew and provide supernatural experiences. ;)
 
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