Jim_Smith
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Actually the mainstream media corporations both left and right leaning are controlled too. Controlled by their board members who are members of the elite power brokers / manipulators of society.
Martial Law Coming Soon?
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Actually the mainstream media corporations both left and right leaning are controlled too. Controlled by their board members who are members of the elite power brokers / manipulators of society.
Jim_Smith
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Another side to the question is what if the military got tired of the controlled government and wanted to overthrow it to replace it with something independent? The corrupt government might declare martial law and then find the military taking over from them.
I am deeply suspicious that all senators, representatives, judges, and basically anyone can be subverted by data collected by the NSA. For example anyone who views pornography would be an easy target. Suppose the NSA has records of all porn anyone viewed on the internet. All they have to do is have a private meeting and say, "You saw this porn and this model is underage. You are now our tool unless you want to be brought up on child porn charges." It doesn't matter how old the model really was, the threat of legal action would be enough to obtain compliance. Because the charges would be brought by law enforcement not the NSA itself, no one would believe the charges were trumped up for blackmail. But it doesn't have to be porn, there are so many laws that most people are criminals even if they don't know it. Or, they can be setup easily if the need arises:
http://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2013/06/no-one-is-innocent.html
I suspect the e-mails of General Patraeus's affair were obtained illegally, it is very possibly he one victim, and blackmail would explain why John Boehner seems to act more like a Democrat than a Republican. Chief Justice Robert's flip-flop on the health care law ruling is also suspicious.
If the average person heard there was a military coup that declared martial law to overthrow the controlled government and replace it with something uncontrolled, ... the average person wouldn't know which side to be on. The victims of NSA blackmail senators, judges, maybe the president himself, might even be supportive.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/1597/confidence-institutions.aspx
I am deeply suspicious that all senators, representatives, judges, and basically anyone can be subverted by data collected by the NSA. For example anyone who views pornography would be an easy target. Suppose the NSA has records of all porn anyone viewed on the internet. All they have to do is have a private meeting and say, "You saw this porn and this model is underage. You are now our tool unless you want to be brought up on child porn charges." It doesn't matter how old the model really was, the threat of legal action would be enough to obtain compliance. Because the charges would be brought by law enforcement not the NSA itself, no one would believe the charges were trumped up for blackmail. But it doesn't have to be porn, there are so many laws that most people are criminals even if they don't know it. Or, they can be setup easily if the need arises:
http://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2013/06/no-one-is-innocent.html
I suspect the e-mails of General Patraeus's affair were obtained illegally, it is very possibly he one victim, and blackmail would explain why John Boehner seems to act more like a Democrat than a Republican. Chief Justice Robert's flip-flop on the health care law ruling is also suspicious.
If the average person heard there was a military coup that declared martial law to overthrow the controlled government and replace it with something uncontrolled, ... the average person wouldn't know which side to be on. The victims of NSA blackmail senators, judges, maybe the president himself, might even be supportive.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/1597/confidence-institutions.aspx
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Jim_Smith
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2015/03/29/crime-law-criminal-unfair-column/70630978/
If you walk down the sidewalk, pick up a pretty feather, and take it home, you could be a felon — if it happens to be a bald eagle feather. Bald eagles are plentiful now, and were taken off the endangered species list years ago, but the federal law making possession of them a crime for most people is still on the books, and federal agents are even infiltrating some Native-American powwows in order to find and arrest people. (And feathers from lesser-known birds, like the red-tailed hawk are also covered). Other examples abound, from getting lost in a storm and snowmobiling on the wrong bit of federal land, to diverting storm sewer water around a building.
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But other times, the prosecutors are out to get you for your politics, your ethnicity, or just in order to fulfill a quota, in which case you will hear that the law is the law, and that ignorance is no excuse. (Amusingly, government officials who break the law do get to plead ignorance and good intentions, under the doctrine of good faith "qualified immunity." Just not us proles.)
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But other times, the prosecutors are out to get you for your politics, your ethnicity, or just in order to fulfill a quota, in which case you will hear that the law is the law, and that ignorance is no excuse. (Amusingly, government officials who break the law do get to plead ignorance and good intentions, under the doctrine of good faith "qualified immunity." Just not us proles.)
Nassim
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Exactly.Many people claim to want to change the world ,while in fact they are just projecting their own unresolved psychological issues, impotence and failures on the world : real change comes from within thus and is contagious too lol, or as Ghandi used to say , or in similar words to the same effect at least : Be the change you wish to see in this world.
Sure : all forms of fake pride do originate from the ego and get projected on the "outside " world , that's why all forms of fake pride , either the religious , secular or national ones are synonymous of exclusion, intolerance , bigotry , dogmatism, violence , discrimination, hate ...in relation to those who happen to be unlucky enough to be outside of the group.
Real or true national or other "pride" is that of doing good for your community , country or fellow humans neighbors, family , loved ones ... out of unconditional love without expecting anything in return and without excluding anyone outside of the group through any negative egocentric feelings , suppressed or not.
Internet is a good thing , despite its negative and flawed part, and it has been enabling people to communicate with each other globally in unprecedented ways, needless to add , and it has been also a magnificent and an effective tool to raise consciousness :The internet revolution has been accelerating human 'evolution" at the level of consciousness at least , in different ways , some in the wrong directions too in accordance with some people's own tendencies, agendas , and inner states thus , but there is a growing or an increasing number of people who are genuinely interested in global consciousness/awareness /raising and spiritual growth though , some naive and credulous , some more discerning , some were /are infiltrated by secret services , ....so , this phenomenon has many faces , shapes and forms.
It all depends thus on the inner states, intelligence , wisdom, experience , education, motives ...of the people involved , so logically you have naive credulous lunatics , new agers , ...and some enlightened folks too , exactly like in the case of political parties , religious sects , or in the case of "independent " people ...
I am very optimistic about all that , but the power that be , corporate power , to be more precise , is well aware of all that and will have to put up a hell of a fight to at least manage all that and redirect it to its own advantage .
I like Peter Russell's "Global mind " by the way.This physicist sees humanity on this planet as a whole community or global mind that will be evolving through the internet revolution as some sort of extension of the human nervous system via the flow of information, ideas , insights , experiences ...of the individual minds ( 2 or more minds are better than 1 ) who are interconnecting with each other (The whole universe is interconnected , so) :
Human consciousness /awareness has been experiencing thus an unprecedented growth or 'evolution" , in many ways , but let's not forget about the fact that the devil is in the details and that corporate power is not sleeping in that regard :
Russell has an attractive idealistic view of all that , while discarding the human nature on the subject, the one that remains confined within the small limits of ego , in fact :
Cheers.
Jim_Smith
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Pentagon Personnel Now Talking on 'NSA-Proof' Smartphones
http://www.nextgov.com/cybersecurit...nel-are-talking-nsa-proof-smartphones/108820/
Jim_Smith
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November 12, 2014
http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2014/11/1...ely-if-white-house-forges-bad-deal-with-iran/
Menendez, Kirk Vow to ‘Act Decisively’ If White House Forges Bad Deal with Iran
The Democratic chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and his GOP co-sponsor of legislation to keep the heat on Iran vowed to “act decisively” against any administration deal that doesn’t kill the Islamic Republic’s nuclear program.
Sen. Robert Menendez (D-N.J.) and Sen. Mark Kirk (R-Ill.), whose legislation includes strict guidance for the compliance necessary to ease sanctions, said in a joint statement today “a good deal will dismantle, not just stall, Iran’s illicit nuclear program and prevent Iran from ever becoming a threshold nuclear weapons state.”
The Democratic chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and his GOP co-sponsor of legislation to keep the heat on Iran vowed to “act decisively” against any administration deal that doesn’t kill the Islamic Republic’s nuclear program.
Sen. Robert Menendez (D-N.J.) and Sen. Mark Kirk (R-Ill.), whose legislation includes strict guidance for the compliance necessary to ease sanctions, said in a joint statement today “a good deal will dismantle, not just stall, Iran’s illicit nuclear program and prevent Iran from ever becoming a threshold nuclear weapons state.”
http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/01/politics/robert-menendez-corruption-charges/
Washington (CNN)—A defiant Sen. Robert Menendez asserted his innocence and pledged to fight federal corruption charges brought against him Wednesday, which he said were politically motivated and "intended to silence me."
If anyone thinks there might be merit to the charges, consider the fact that there are much worse abuses by other officials that the justice department is ignoring ... so why was Menendez charged and not them?
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Hurmanetar
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I watched this the other day and thought it was interesting, but not worth sharing because who knows how audio/video can be manipulated...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=69&v=GEo0qX-ScfQ
But saw another article on it today where the Ad Council responded to concerns saying that the background news report about martial law was: "...a pre-existing, fictional vintage audio file as ambient background noise to invoke an earlier era; it was not intended to provide any additional messaging or for any additional purpose." So they did not deny that this was the original background audio. http://www.infowars.com/ad-council-responds-to-bizarre-psa-featuring-martial-law-announcement/
Then some of the commenters pointed out that there is a lot of Jade in this video (sweaters, towels, knitting needles) and in one shot, there is jade right next to a "helm" of a ship:
In my opinion this is too much to chalk up to coincidence.
Here is the original Ad:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=22&v=jT6imIqaCQs
Background audio news report:
“…are also encouraged to lock and bar all doors, windows, and any other points of entry. Riots nationwide have prompted local governments to declare Martial Law. The President is asking that citizens find safety and remain calm.
Authorities are working their hardest to contain the outbreak.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=69&v=GEo0qX-ScfQ
But saw another article on it today where the Ad Council responded to concerns saying that the background news report about martial law was: "...a pre-existing, fictional vintage audio file as ambient background noise to invoke an earlier era; it was not intended to provide any additional messaging or for any additional purpose." So they did not deny that this was the original background audio. http://www.infowars.com/ad-council-responds-to-bizarre-psa-featuring-martial-law-announcement/
Then some of the commenters pointed out that there is a lot of Jade in this video (sweaters, towels, knitting needles) and in one shot, there is jade right next to a "helm" of a ship:
In my opinion this is too much to chalk up to coincidence.
Here is the original Ad:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=22&v=jT6imIqaCQs
Background audio news report:
“…are also encouraged to lock and bar all doors, windows, and any other points of entry. Riots nationwide have prompted local governments to declare Martial Law. The President is asking that citizens find safety and remain calm.
Authorities are working their hardest to contain the outbreak.”
Hurmanetar
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A good short (11 min) documentary on William Binney, NSA Whistleblower:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=136&v=WgbJqFrwhbw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=136&v=WgbJqFrwhbw
Vault313
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Really? Why are Texas and Utah considered hostile territories? I grew up in Utah and currently live in Texas. I can see that sort of being true due to the independent spirit of both cultures, but why not Idaho? It's Utah 2.0, but with a smaller population. And Oklahoma? It's Texas 2.0 with a smaller population. Montana? Northern California?
Hurmanetar
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I'm not really familiar with Utah politics, but as far as Texas goes, it has a large population with oil and gas production rivaling that of Saudi Arabia, sea ports, industry, farm and ranch land, a few large population centers, and a gun-loving culture of freedom and independence. Texas could theoretically succeed at seceding and/or leading a new constitutional convention. The other regions you mentioned are some havens for preppers and independent folks, but those regions have less political and economic power.
Vault313
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Yeah, I guess I should have said I understand why Texas could be seen as "hostile" to big gov. But Utah? I'm perplexed.
Hmmm...the LDS church would be considered a Fortune 500 company if it wasn't non-profit. And they know how to truly take care of their own. In their defense, they really do have one of the best charity models in the world. Plus their strong sense of community and family loyalty. Ok, maybe I just answered my own question.
Utah's main problem is it's land locked. The gulf coast is one of Texas' big wins.
I still chuckle at this, because I think it's really a non-issue, but one if the reasons my husband was keen on moving here was due to the fact that if a revolution/civil war broke out Texas would function pretty well on its own. It would be literal hell though for any one sitting on the left side of the political aisle.
Hurmanetar
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Yee-haw! :) Welcome to Texas!
Hurmanetar
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By the way, I like the way your husband thinks... sounds like a smart guy!
Vault313
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Lol! Yes he is, but that's not why I married him. Lol!
Hurmanetar
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Isn't the fact that no one - not even our elected representatives in congress - can share with us details about the TPP without threat of arrest, proof positive that we are already living under martial law?
I presume you mean that it's materialism that destroys the meaning of life, not the struggle. I disagree with your premise. How does immaterialism come up with some kind of intrinsic meaning?
~~ Paul
Hurmanetar
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Yes... I worded that poorly and ambiguously.
This is a good question. Could I start to answer this by asking if you consider your life to be meaningful, and if so, where does that meaning come from?
Reece
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Fake cell phone towers?
My life is meaningful. The meaning comes from within and from my interaction with others and with the world.
~~ Paul
Hurmanetar
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So you and those you interact with create your meaning. I'm in agreement with that. Am I then correct in saying you believe there was no meaning to your life before you were born, and after you die and all memory of you has faded, there will no longer be any meaning to your life? Furthermore, would I be correct that you believe your life means nothing to the universe because the universe has no memory and no capacity to care? Would I be correct to say that the relative length of your finite life approaches zero when compared to the vast or possibly infinite age of the universe?
I think that only a conscious being can create meaning by remembering the past, anticipating the future, and making choices in the present. Another way to put it is that meaning arises when a conscious being observes or participates in a story including his or her own story.
For a materialist this story is short and has relatively few interwoven connections. It is a story isolated within randomness. For an idealist, this story is not short and isolated but contiguous with the whole story of the universe. The universe remembers you. You contribute something to the universal story. And the universe cares and remembers whatever it chooses to remember. Your meaningful story is encapsulated in a vast sea of randomness which is encapsulated in the mind. The randomness is not the absolute ground state of being, but it is the blank canvas the mind creates to paint upon and exercise choice within.
The materialist can create his or her own meaning. But I think that the materialist beliefs limit that capacity. Mentally stronger more well integrated materialists like yourself can get along just fine with the amount of meaning they create for themselves. Others who are not so strong or well integrated or who are suffering greatly or facing death, find it very difficult to create their own meaning while maintaining materialist beliefs. Suffering and death can create a deep hunger for meaning that can often only be satisfied if one believes in a greater timeless connection to the whole and that the memory and effects of one's life will not altogether fade away to nothing.
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