From memory, it was the part of the interview when they were talking about vigor and Hinduism and about turning inward and rejecting the physical world; Miguel then said that in the back of his head there would be Joe Atwill saying that it's just a psy-op to keep idealistic people passive and inactive in the material world. Btw, I was originally playing devil's (demiurge's) advocate with your post... but actually, there could be something more to this: I can see this as a potential psy-op in terms of jnana yoga and other extremely inward traditions. The yogis who these days practice this are typically brahmins and they go into isolation for most of their life from a very young age (as described, for example, by Swami Rama). However, this is in direct contradiction to the most important law text of ancient India, the Manu Smrti. So maybe this new jnana yoga tradition of getting the young brahmins not to have children and to essentially leave the world is a psy-op by the kshatriya/warrior class and/or others to finally topple the brahmins. I don't have direct evidence to prove it, but maybe give someone like Atwill a few years on it and he could put a case together In any case, what resonates with me is karma yoga, as described in the Bhagavad Gita, of maintaining inner awareness while at the same time being active in the physical world.