thx for the great great song :)btw, happy 300th Alex. :)
great point!!! one of those "duh, of course" things... once someone points it out :)I tend not to accept that though, thinking instead of the brain as how an "external" image of conscious processes is perceived rather than an object that receives consciousness.
great point!!! one of those "duh, of course" things... once someone points it out :)
I have seen the movie when it came out and I enjoyed it for what it was ... a good thriller with some interesting interaction between the characters and the usual plot twist at the end. Unfortunately, the premise of the movie is rather lazy and the authors seem to have put little to no effort to describe the origin of the synthetic intelligence...
On one hand I can understand that the story focuses on the interaction between the three main characters (Ava, Nathan and Calen), and it willfully avoids to go into "boring" details on how the machine(s) became conscious. On the other hand I couldn't avoid the irritation at the few feeble allusions to the Turing test and some very vague "internet data" as the basis for Ava's sentience... a pretty lazy way to throw a bone to the audience with a couple of scientific/tech sounding terms.
Anyways the movies itself is a pretty good one, probably an 8 out of 10.
If you notice there have been quite a stream of similarly themed movies in the past couple of years ... "Transcendence" (bad), "The machine" (meh), "Automata" (bad), "Her" (well worth seeing). This modern time myth of a powerful enough computer becoming conscious seems growing stronger... just to confirm our possibly darkest fear: that that is what we really are, a bunch of complex enough circuits.
At least in part these movies seem to stare in the face of this scary prospect... while the rest is probably a mix of nerdom and playing god. Well that and, of course, the whole machine-becomes-conscious theme has still a hell of a lot of entertainment potential. So this is problably the reason why this myth is going ever stronger these days... nerditude + transhumanism + millions bucks at the movie theaters :D :D
Oh, by the way, I haven't seen this brought up by other posters: Bernardo wrote a nice article on this very movie and the problems that come with it --> http://www.bernardokastrup.com/2015/04/cognitive-short-circuit-of-artificial-consciousness.html
Among other things it points out to a crucial distinction between "artificial intelligence" and "artificial consciousness"... not even a subtle one. There's an ocean of difference!
cheers
If you notice there have been quite a stream of similarly themed movies in the past couple of years ... "Transcendence" (bad), "The machine" (meh), "Automata" (bad), "Her" (well worth seeing). This modern time myth of a powerful enough computer becoming conscious seems growing stronger... just to confirm our possibly darkest fear: that that is what we really are, a bunch of complex enough circuits.
Fun chat. I enjoyed this film when I saw it earlier in th year.
I suspect that one of the reasons people have little faith in AI is because, until recently, the goal has been to create AI for specific roles (play chess, predict weather etc) and it has been very successful, given that scope. The goal has not to create an artificial human. And it will prove to be very tricky.
I can't foresee a way of creating a fully formed adult human robot because it bypasses the history that makes humans who we are.
Think about what made you the person you are today. Think about the sort of person you would be without any back story what-so-ever.
Your parents/family and their influence. Learing to use your body. Learning to use your senses. Learning to communicate. At every stage messing things up, trying again, messing up again. Persevering.
Discovering your peers, socialising, making friends, making enemies. Discovering emotions. Getting hurt. The joy of winning, the grief of losing.
Discovering love, discovering sex. Messing things up, trying again.
Hang ups, insecurities. Battling demons, trying to overcome them...
Trying to make sense of the world. Trying to make sense of the universe.
You get the picture.
To create an 'artificial' human adult we would need to create an 'artificial' human newborn, with all the feed back mechanisms, learning capabilities and ability to grow. This is technologically very tricky (impossible?) not to mention ethically awkward.
Worth the effort? I really don't know.
I like Wargo but he's lost me on the precognition stuff though. :)
People 'fall in love' all the time with other people on the internet, often those people are not who they seem and may be scammers. I'm sure if the AI was sufficiently human like you could fall in love with itDo any of you here think that you could love an AI?
And I don't mean love as in; "I love my car - its so cool".
If you knew it was an AI and it looked like, sounded like, and acted exactly like a human being of either sex, do you think, for whatever reason, you could fall in love with it?
I think I could not. I think I always would remind myself that it is an construction.
We all have different levels of "love", attachments, and friendships, to pets, cars, and other material things. But the love-love is usually for another human being (spouse, kids, family).
But,..on the other hand, I have never met an lady-AI just yet. She might be very charming, and lure me in. ;)