Pizzagate. Plus, Ex-FBI Undercover Agent Bob Hamer |357|

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  1. Did you see this article:
    https://covertoperations.blogspot.com/2012/06/does-james-randi-protect-pedophiles.html

    Does James Randi Protect Pedophiles?
    This is pretty interesting:
    James Randi, the magician, is involved with the False Memory Syndrome Foundation.
    This group claims that many adults who have memories of pedophilia are actually having false memories!

    "Some of our memories are true, some are a mixture of fact and fantasy, and some are false."
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    If a group of pedophiles wanted to protect themselves from accusations of pedophilia, what would be the best way?
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    I don't know if the following is exactly what you are looking for but it might be of interest:

    The original web site has been removed but the page is available on the internet archive.

    Original:
    http://subversivethinking.blogspot.com/2009/01/prometheus-books-and-pseudoskeptical.html

    At archive.org:
    https://web.archive.org/web/2009053.../01/prometheus-books-and-pseudoskeptical.html

    "Prometheus Books is a publishing company founded in August 1969 by Paul Kurtz, who also founded the Council for Secular Humanism and co- founded Committee for Skeptical Inquiry. He is currently the chairman of all three organizations. Prometheus books publishes a range of books, including many about science, especially those of a skeptical nature"

    Note that Prometheus Books was founded by Paul Kurtz, the atheist and materialist philosopher founder of the pseudoskeptical organization CSICOP (now called CSI).

    Well, if you enter to the website of Prometheus Books, and see the section on "Human Sexuality", you'll see titles explicitly or implicitly endorsing, promoting and justifying (with pseudo-scientific and "rationalistic" jargon) pornography, prostitution, paedophilia, sado-masochism, zoophilia, and other sexual aberrations and pervertions. In other sections you'll see titles supporting abortion and infanticide, or weird behaviours like transvestism.

    The original "Human Sexuality" section of Prometheus Books catalog was edited by CSICOP/CSI Fellow and International Academy of Humanism Secretariat Dr. Vern Bullough, who according to wikipedia was "a member of the editorial board of Paidika: The Journal of Paedophilia."

    This pseudo-scietific and immoral journal (Paidika) was a pro-paedophilia journal. According to wikipedia "Paidika: The Journal of Paedophilia (1987–1995) was a journal published by the Stichting Paidika Foundation. Articles drawn from it are available from a number of pro-pedophile activist websites. Its editor was Joseph Geraci and the editorial board included articles by writers Frits Bernard, Edward Brongersma, Vern L. Bullough, and D. H. (Donald) Mader, some of whom campaigned as pro-pedophile activists"


    When I saw the above article, I thought that one of the motivations for some activist skeptics could be anger at religious organizations for condemning their alternative lifestyles.

    Here someone suggested key words if you want to try to find more info on Randi:
    http://weekinweird.com/2015/01/17/honest-review-honest-liar/
    "search online for Arcade, docks, messages,randi, pedophile phone conversations, recordings"
     
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  2. AryaS

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    It is hard to hit a "like' button when people are posting such disturbing content, but know that I appreciate the few here who actually care enough to call this stuff out and try to get people to wake up to reality.

    Another really disturbing article by a journalist who is now at the Wall Street Journal. The researcher/professor I posted above (Dr. Lori Handrahand) is quoted in the article and references it in her book: Epidemic: America's Trade in Child Rape. Many disturbing reveals in this article about FBI and chief of police rapists and high ranking government and public officials all engaged in "child pornography rings," including former Deans of Stetson University and the University of San Fran, several chiefs of police in various states, and the head of DHHS Cybersecurity.

    www.thedailybeast.com/the-sickening-child-porn-crisis-infecting-us-government-agencies

    Dr. Handrahand's book and this article both call into focus the inadequacy of calling this "child pornography," which doesn't capture what is really happening here (nor does the word "pedophile") -- these are children, some toddlers and infants, being raped and tortured, and often killed. This is not a mental illness or an unhealthy "attraction" to young children. This is a sick, criminal, (Satanic?) desire to harm our most vulnerable. The images depict real children being raped and tortured -- children stolen/kidnapped by traffickers/rapists or sold/shared by their own sick parents (mostly fathers, but I have to assume the mothers are not ignorant?). Those harboring such images are frequently also abusing children themselves, according to Dr. Handrahand -- so this goes far beyond a sick thought crime.

    Why are there not more mainstream outlets covering this epidemic on a daily basis? (and why do we have such an evil epidemic???) This isn't some "conspiracy" theory -- these are documented, prosecuted cases. Dr. Handrahand has gone through hundreds of criminal complaints and other discovery documents (perp confessions, affidavits, depos, etc.). I am sure more people would pay attention to "Pizzagate" if they were exposed to these closely parallel realities.
     
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  3. Charlie Primero

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    James Randi was a pedophile.

    There are audio recordings of him arranging sex with boys.
     
  4. Because they are covering up for their bosses who run the companies.
     
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    It's unbelievable. And what about the trickier second question? Why is this going on in the first place? I have to believe there is some kind of demonic possession going on -- it is the only way I can make any kind of "sense" of this. What would make seemingly normal men (and some women) stray from the natural, normal instinct to protect a small child to wanting to torture/rape/kill them?

    I hope when all of these sick bastards reach old age and they are the frail vulnerable ones that they fully experience what it is like to be at the mercy of others much stronger and more powerful than they are. They will find that no one will want to care for them (especially their own children), that no one gives a crap what happens to them, and they will will reap what they have sown in their sick and wasted and pathetic lives.
     
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  6. ellyroo

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    shit man......

    that was what i was looking for

    if this is verified this would be major.....
     
  7. You are right they can seem normal but some people are born without (or never develop) the ability to feel sympathy or empathy for other people. It is a defect in the brain.

    https://www.healthyplace.com/person...efinition-extremely-antisocial-no-conscience/

    To Define Sociopath, Consider These Four Categories

    The above definition of sociopath is easiest to grasp when it's organized to fit people rather than paper. In The Psychopath Inside, James Fallon breaks down the definition of a sociopath into four categories.

    Interpersonal: This category involves interaction with other people. In this area, someone who is a sociopath is superficial and incapable of deep, meaningful relationships and connections. It might seem at first that this person is very attached and caring, but that's just an act. A sociopath is antisocial; he (or sometimes she) is capable of lies and deception in order to get his or her way, but he cares nothing about forming real friendships and partnerships.

    Affective: This area deals with emotions and feelings. When it comes to the affective part of being human, the definition of a sociopath is someone who completely lacks empathy. He simply can't take the perspective of others or understand (or care) how someone else feels. When a sociopath is hurtful, he feels no remorse. If it's good for him, he doesn't care who's hurt in the process. A sociopath has no conscience.

    Behavioral: Someone who is a sociopath is impulsive and unreliable. As a result of these traits, the sociopath also lacks the ability to set long-term goals. Further, he can't, or won't, accept responsibility for his actions.

    Antisocial: The definition of a sociopath centers on this concept. This person stands apart from the rest of society; he exists for himself and only for himself. He cares nothing for the norms, rules, and laws of society. Accordingly, a sociopath has a history of juvenile delinquency and likely has a criminal record in adulthood.
     
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    this is definately verifiable? :O i know he says it was a set up, and geller doesnt seem the most squeaky clean person

    then again the actions line up far too much with someone possibly doing criminal activity
     
  9. Charlie Primero

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    Yes. I listened to them several years ago.
     
  10. LetsEat

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    Yes, he told police that he was trying to catch paedophiles.

    He later married a boy who sought shelter with him from the third world several years later when he became an adult.

    (looking for sources, will update with them when I find them)

    Letters sent to James Randi containing an abridged log of what he'd said over the phone
    https://web.archive.org/web/19991128035654/http://www.psyzone.freeserve.co.uk:80/jrl1.htm

    Randi's response is on the next page.

    If there is confirmation that he was helping with a conviction as he claims from either the legal record or the police involved I'd like to see it.
     
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  11. ellyroo

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    jeez man that's pretty damning , the involvement in the false memory thing is definately looking very very suspicious now,


    and heck inb4 someone (not here) accuses me of being homophobic, im kind of in relationship with another girl so? why would i be
     
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  12. Mishelle

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    I listened to the Guns and Butter interview and it's incredibly disturbing. This is the darkest rabbit hole of 'conspiracy theories' by far, imo. I have a really hard time returning to it so I completely understand the typical reactions of disbelief and head in the sand and the crippling fury once you 'go there'. It is so far out, so utterly incomprehensible and insane it just doesn't seem possible. In this way it is the ultimately 'psy-op' b/c I hear these interviews and see the evidence and whistleblowers piling up and I already had plenty of suspicions, but I still don't 'look'. So, it's still me trusting, or trying to trust, a stranger (many strangers) but unwilling to actually look for myself at the evidence--the photos, vids, chats--it's too appalling just to imagine and I can't even look. So, to answer a bit your question, it may as well be demon possession b/c I'm too afraid to look. It's the ultimate Catch 22.

    Her comments about choosing the pre-verbal children, and the training of the dogs, literally caused auto-retch responses. It does make you think the David Ickes of the world and reptilian/alien stories are clearly not the crazy ones, by far.

    I'm not saying clearly there's not something horrid and insidious that needs full spotlights shining on it, but I do find myself asking those same questions others usually are asking me about 'conspiracy theories' -- what about all the mothers, with this many perps and victims there must be loads of mothers willingly offering up their babies, how are so many able to slip under the rug, isn't this what all the old cultures talked about to instill fear in their children of the big bad wolf or witch, it's just more fear porn, quite literally, blah, blah. I KNOW that's wrong! I'm just trying to be transparent about my gut reaction to this filth b/c I really hope that with more honesty and discussion we can find more/better solutions.

    Thanks for keeping the conversation going y'all. :)
     
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  13. LetsEat

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    I'm hoping for a meteor at this point, everything is so fucked.
     
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    I struggle with defeatism myself sometimes! Then my cheerleader self kicks in and says "Be the change you want to see!" I know how cliché it's become, but in fact if everyone did simply choose intolerance occasionally and raised some hell and refused to turn the other cheek, maybe we would not need that meteor in order to reboot this clearly flawed system.

    There is a book I think that sheds much light on this called "The Origins of War in Child Abuse". We could stop perpetuating the cycle, that alone could make a significant difference. I suspect many of these perpetrators have lost empathy as a survival response in their own childhoods at a crucial developmental stage, so what once was a gift to them becomes a curse.

    'The powers' have known and manipulate these processes, purposely splitting the psyche and mechanizing responses, or trying to. Still, I do not want to 'victimize' these sociopaths as is clearly a current strategy with the normalizing of it.

    It is criminal, it is abuse--that anyone should label pedophilia a 'preference' is the creepiest sort of double-speak and it's certainly a wonder to me that the ones who lose their jobs are the ones who speak against it, while the ones who defend it rise to the top of the pyramid. Very telling.
     
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  15. LetsEat

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    Found the tapes, if Randy is guilty of soliciting minors then he must have benched his goat on nobody bothering to listen to the actual tapes. Seems pretty cut and dry to me that he propositioned several 18 year old men and a 17 year old man for paid sex. I don't know if you can really call this paedophilia though. http://www.godlikeproductions.com/external?http://www.happierabroad.com/JamesRandi.zip
     
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    That is a crime.

    17 year-olds lack the legal ability to give consent for sexual intercourse.

    Sexual intercourse without consent is rape, which is a crime.
     
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    I don't think it's paedophilia. The age of consent here in Australia is under that: 16. In the USA it varies state-by-state, but is mostly also 16 or 17 (with some states going to 18). In any case, regardless of the legal age of consent, I personally don't think anyway that sex with 17 and 18 year olds qualifies as "paedophilia".

    Not to take away at all from the evil of the type of - potentially systemic - abuse being discussed in this thread (and I haven't yet listened to the Lori Handrahan podcast either), but I think it's worth pointing out that not all those with paedophilic urges act on them, and that some of them even recognise those urges as wrong and struggle to manage them. See, for example, this article: You’re 16. You’re a Pedophile. You Don’t Want to Hurt Anyone. What Do You Do Now?
     
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    Unfortunately, the very first podcast I turn on this morning has an answer to that question. "Breeders" apparently, according to Icke, women held in captivity expressly for the purpose of providing new babies. I know how a lot of folks feel about Icke, but at least he's offering up some explanations which he clearly himself believes to be true. My mind is not even depraved enough to imagine answers to this madness. I come up with questions sometimes that I want to ask, but can hardly articulate them.

    Like, for example, how is the physics of this working? B/c I've not seen it and refuse to look, how is it physically possible for an adult male to penetrate a small child without killing him/her?

    In this interview and another I listened to Handrahan repeats several times the perps are 'white men in positions of power' and this sends up a bit of a red flag for me b/c of our current 'metoo' climate. I've spent enough time in other countries, like Thailand, to know there are lots of Chinese 'players', and Arabs as well. There is simply no single race that has cornered the 'evil' market.
     
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    Sorry for being a complete cynic here, Laird, but I tend to think articles like this are totally planted and part of a psy-op to normalize depraved criminal acts and produce sympathy for those wanting to hurt and torture children. I guess my mind just cannot conceive of anyone looking at an infant or toddler or young child, a being who does not even possess the physical capability of having sex b/c their private parts are not even formed/large enough for normal penetration -- and feeling "sexual desire." Why not just grab an inanimate object? The ability to reciprocate is the same. The urge to force "sexual" activity on one so incapable not only of consent but of survival of the penetration/sexual acts suggests not sexual desire but a pathological desire to harm/cause injury/see suffering -- it's like delighting in the torture of small animals. And I would propose that even if there are those who "desire but don't act" (which I doubt), they are not repressing their sexuality but their psychopathy -- and as Jim's article suggests above -- a psychopath is unlikely capable of even giving a second thought to repressing their desires because other people simply don't matter to them.

    And let me just point out that if you are "16" and think you are a "pedophile" -- we aren't talking about an attraction to a 15 year old....
     
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    I don't want to derail this thread, so I'll respond briefly and then (try to!) leave it at that.

    I didn't at all get "normalisation of depraved criminal acts" from the article: near the start, the main subject of the article - a self-confessed paedophile-striving-to-suppress-his-urges - even expresses his disgust for such "depraved criminal acts":

    Nor did I get "wanting to hurt and torture children" from the article: the individuals featured clearly wanted not to hurt and torture children - in fact, that was the whole point of the article: that they knew that it was wrong to hurt and torture children which is why they fought their urges.

    I'm not really sure what relation this has to the article. I find it hard to conceive of paedophilic urges too, but neither of us denies that - despite it being difficult to imagine - some people do feel these urges. The question is not whether such urges exist, but whether or not at least some people who feel such urges recognise them as wrong and try to manage them. The article to me presents a credible case that this is true.

    Well, that begs the question: to assume such people are psychopathic assumes in turn the impossibility of the very fact which is in contention - that certain people who feel paedophilic urges are capable of suppressing them. In other words, it amounts to defining the possibility out of existence, when in reality the question as to its possibility is an empirical one, not a semantic/analytic one.

    Indeed. And none of the self-confessed paedophiles-striving-to-suppress-their-urges featured in that article claimed to be attracted to post-pubescents anyhow: their attractions were clearly to children well under 10, in some cases as low as three-year-olds.

    Anyhow, maybe we can continue this discussion in a new thread, or privately, because the focus of this thread is and should be on those paedophiles who are psychopaths, or at least who don't suppress their urges.
     
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