There's a danger here of trying to have the discussions ahead of time, that is, get all the ideas settled before the forum is even created. This thread could go on for a very long time. :)We have similar strengths and educational backgrounds, Typoz, as well as an identical profession. :)
What you say about old models cracking and new models being introduced is totally compatible with the aims of the proposed forum, and the forum doesn't either require that anybody commit to anything. The point of including "reasoning" is that once you've discarded your old model, you're going to want to critically appraise any potential new models, right? I mean, you're not going to just say, "Whatever comes to me, I accept it: that will be my new model", are you? You're going to want it to actually make sense: to be internally consistent, to explain what we know about reality, etc?
But I think you're also concerned that there's too much focus on analysis and not enough on genesis in the proposed name? Maybe there's a terse forum name connoting the idea of "Creatively and insightfully generating new models of reality and then subjecting them to critical appraisal" - that would seem to satisfy your sentiments, or am I wrong?
and I don't understand how you can discuss reality, but prevent discussion of transformations which work.
Hi Laird / All, Just catching up with all the threads.....:)
As I'm mentioned in the opening post, guess I should comment. A lot of excellent & potentially productive ideas & proposals in there....would be interesting to see how some of them work out.
Personally - I think I'm a little too disorganised & undisciplined to really appreciate/want such "structures" being placed around our discussions. I barely understand how this forum is segregated (or how to use the excellent functions on it!) as it is haha ;)
I did want to ask a question of Max on this quote - can you please clarify what you mean by "transformations which work" or refer me to a post of yours where you already have?
Cheers all!
Thanks Max! Well, I am pretty tired and "read out" now, but I did read that post twice over and I think I got some sort of handle on what you're saying (these are complex ideas, and my brain gets foggier by the day!).....and if I do understand, then I quite agree.
We talk about "reality"...well, perhaps one way of conceptualising it is that there may be "hierarchically nested" (see, I can sound more nonsensical than you any day!) "realities"? In which case, the "relationships" of "reality" in this particular layer of the "nested" reality would indeed "little touched"?
Have I understood you correctly?
That said, even though I agree with your point, I can allow for different "beings" being drawn to different "approaches" to "reality" and different "layers" of it. All so vast and incomprehensible!
I can also understand why, for some people, two approaches do not work well together for their being. That is not to deny the value or validity of the "other" approach. Diversity!
For me personally, my strongest subjects at school (for what little that's worth!) were maths and science. I was absolutely fascinated by many aspects of science, read many books, watched all the docs, then always kept up to date when the internet was born with all the latest science news sites. Then really looked into what science can tell us about consciousness, reality, "spiritual experiences", the origin of the universe, para-psychological research etc. Extremely fascinated by all that, read many long and dry books trying to make sense of the world "scientifically", empirically, materialistically rationally etc
Then it kind of just dropped away, my interest. It's not an argument I need to convince anyone ELSE of, but I know for me, in my existence, there is no longer any use for that description and perspective of reality.
I've disappeared up me own.....imagination!!
;)
For example, you'd be surprised at clothing fashion... there is a driving force in play here as far as I'm concerned... but as far as I'm aware nobody has openly cracked it...
I quite agree with your general sentiments, and like the "spirit" of your approach :)
Well, now you've gone and intrigued me! I'm the least unfashionable person probably in the UK, so please bare with my ignorance and/or stupidity on the matter....any further hints as to what you mean here? A prior post, another website that touches on what you mean? It sounds intriguing, and I LOVE discovering another influential "slice of reality" or "dynamic" that I've perhaps missed before?
Cheers Max!
Well, that's a genuinely mind bending couple of paragraphs. Very thought provoking, and i like that.
I think I get it! I will have to chew on it further, subconsciously ;)
You mention meaning a few times......that's a loaded word! Who is it meaningful TO and is there a purpose to it?
For some reason, thinking over your post reminds me of the concepts of the "trickster" & liminality...not sure why....
Thanks Max.