Sarah Westall, Trafficking/Blackmail Cycle of Evil |410|

#21
Trump is worse than Podesta, why?
hey, I'm just asking yr opinion. I mean we're way down the rabbit hole here so I guess we should go the rest of the way.

The evidence against trump is substantial damning. as you know, I covered it here:
Ed Opperman, Trump, Epstein, Why Beliefs Don't Change ... - Skeptiko

I wonder whether or not the satanic stuff that is often attributed to podesta is of a different nature. I don't have a strong opinion on this... IDK... but I think it's worth discussing.

That Trump was compromised and he was rounding up pedos? Sure I believe it is possible at .00000001% odds.
ok. good to know yr # on that one :)
 
#23
The term luciferian gets thrown around a lot when the elite is mentioned. Lucifer is rarely mentioned in the bible. St Jerome added lucifer, which was a mistranslation. Lucifer means light bringer, it has nothing to do with satan(Hebrew translation means adversary).
Jesus calls himself the morning star in revelations.
 
#24
As far as I know, Trump never exactly spelled out what "The Swamp" referred to, but the scenario that Sarah describes certainly fits the description!

I really find it impossible to believe that:

a) Trump would have gone round abusing kids and then run for president partly in order to round up others doing the same thing. I can believe that he was close enough to some that he discovered what was going on.

b) If he did, nobody could find a way to nail something substantial on him.

c) That everyone at the top is into this kind of thing.

John, please remember that some of aren't US citizens, and are thus less familiar with this stuff. If indeed Kavenagh is controlled, why were the Dems so insanely keen to keep him out of office? I mean that grotesque circus must have been the last straw for many people - not just me - the Deep State wasted an enormous amount of resource trying to keep him from office.

It seems to me that every prominent pedophile (or sex trafficker) who gets exposed - such as Epstein - increases the danger for the other unexposed pedophiles, because it makes these accusations more plausible. The idea that someone who was one would raise the whole issue doesn't make sense.

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#25
Trump clearly has a penile-driven goddess-fetish and I believe he loves his children, so for me this puts him at the matriarchal end of a scale of (albeit toxic) male behaviour. The opposite extreme are the child-raping murderers. They are not the same, although both are products of a patriarchal culture that has treated women and children as exploitable objects or expendable 'raw material' with little or no rights, influence or status for 2,000 years.

Calling it evil tends to dissociate us and makes it impossible to understand. By owning it as the inevitable outcome of a society psychologically deranged by decades of religious contempt, we have the chance to change, starting with a return to reverence for women and their children.
There is hope of this with Trump.
 
#26
Well some Opperman dude says it's true, then it must be. By golly he's gotta podcast an everything. It's right there on the innernet. It must be true. An he's a certified genuuuwhine PI and everything. Good guy. Real smart like too. Only interest is getting the real truth out there. I ken jus tell.

Sheesh, in the world of "evidence" it's like not being able to discern between a two day old Big Mac in the back of your friend's moldy refrigerator and a fine porterhouse at a 5 star restaurant. Uh yeah, all the same to me.

Icke disagrees with you that they're Luciferian. He says they're lizard people from Alpha Centauri.

Who you gonna believe, Opperman report or Icke? Tough one, eh?

But there's no reason that Lizard people can't be Luciferian too. So I propose the Luciferian Lizard People theory supported by ample available internet cites. Trump is clearly their commanding officer on earth.

My God. A guest has a passionate and possibly informed interview about something as horrible, but real, as child sex trafficking networks and touches on something as important as evil itself, and we have to dive, immediately, into the deep end of goofy ass internet conspiracy theories about Trump, etc. IMO, delving into such poorly (I'm being generous) supported allegations demeans an important topic. It's sort of like the boy who cried wolf, but this is the boy who cried "Luciferian child molester!" or "Lizard People!"

And if you're going to impugn a man's character, you'd should have more than hearsay and innuendo. That's just my old fashioned (pre-social media) opinion.
I swear most people have no proper ability to read or use discernment.

First, I talked about child molestation and trafficking from a non religious standpoint. I referenced Ross E. Cheit's book the Witch Hunt Narrative.

Second, I use the term luciferian because it is commonly known. I am well aware the lucifier is referenced in the bible as Venus as the morning star. However, much of the world's elite worship "him", this Promethean myth. They worship anything that goes against the God of creation. They worship the serpent that gave us knowledge. Research the Lucius trust, theosophy, Madam Helena Blavatsky, Albert Pike, Manly P. Hall, etc. Would you have rather me called it satanism? What term do you prefer. Illuminati, mystery schools, Brotherhood of the Snake? Because whether or not you believe in it, most of them practice it.

Two good series on it:

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLOtKxMklQeXbXpwe4_Xk9vru9WGQJvXHK
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLOtKxMklQeXZTAjPUo9a34gJ6jNqfA-_p

Look at her videos, they are very partisan:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCtO4mL7AAM97yt5EHacdpKw/videos

She is pro Trump and a Q believer.

Again, I need to state who I am. My name is John Brisson. I voted for Donald John Trump in 2016. I was a neocon as a teenager and a libertarian in my 20's. I am conservative in many of my views. I thought he was fighting the deep state up to about a year into his presidency against my better judgement. I went on a few podcasts around that time stating Trump was our guy. I am Christian and greatly disagree with Atwill who I have caught giving out disinformation on other topics. I used to believe in "Christ consciousness" the way Alex does currently and was more Gnostic, however, I realized that the world order pushes that narrative strongly. The Rockfellers funded Nag Hammadi library and Elaine Pagels. Pagels won many Rockefeller awards. The theosophists also propagate the "Christ consciousness"narrative. It is their New World Order over the Old World Order (church). Ask yourself this? What is worst? King's and a Pope that you knew were corrupt or the new enlightened democracy where everything is hidden?

A friend of mine then gave me this documentary to watch:


I could not disprove it. I then discovered the Council for National Policy and the John Birch society. I discovered that there were two deep states and neither one had my best interest at heart. CFR vs CNP. That they were controlled at the top and really only superficially battled against each other.

That is just it no one will look at the information. I can give you books, documentaries, primary sources, etc. Everyone wants to bury their head in the sand like I did and #trusttheplan.
https://player.fm/series/the-infini...and-the-secretive-council-for-national-policy
 
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#27
hey, I'm just asking yr opinion. I mean we're way down the rabbit hole here so I guess we should go the rest of the way.

The evidence against trump is substantial damning. as you know, I covered it here:
Ed Opperman, Trump, Epstein, Why Beliefs Don't Change ... - Skeptiko

I wonder whether or not the satanic stuff that is often attributed to podesta is of a different nature. I don't have a strong opinion on this... IDK... but I think it's worth discussing.


ok. good to know yr # on that one :)
Nope, from what I can tell it is the same.
 
#28
As far as I know, Trump never exactly spelled out what "The Swamp" referred to, but the scenario that Sarah describes certainly fits the description!

I really find it impossible to believe that:

a) Trump would have gone round abusing kids and then run for president partly in order to round up others doing the same thing. I can believe that he was close enough to some that he discovered what was going on.

b) If he did, nobody could find a way to nail something substantial on him.

c) That everyone at the top is into this kind of thing.

John, please remember that some of aren't US citizens, and are thus less familiar with this stuff. If indeed Kavenagh is controlled, why were the Dems so insanely keen to keep him out of office? I mean that grotesque circus must have been the last straw for many people - not just me - the Deep State wasted an enormous amount of resource trying to keep him from office.

It seems to me that every prominent pedophile (or sex trafficker) who gets exposed - such as Epstein - increases the danger for the other unexposed pedophiles, because it makes these accusations more plausible. The idea that someone who was one would raise the whole issue doesn't make sense.

David
They cannot out him because it would out the whole system, if you believe in CFR vs CNP.

Take Epstein for example. Trump could not use Epstein against Clinton because Clinton could use it against him as well. They would both be outed.

Pizzagate (though real in a lot of ways) was put out by the CNP and Roger Stone as a way to discredit Clinton. There were no ties to pizzagate with Trump to my knowledge it was a true CFR operation.

John, please remember that some of aren't US citizens, and are thus less familiar with this stuff. If indeed Kavenagh is controlled, why were the Dems so insanely keen to keep him out of office?

You ever hear of political theater? School play narrative? It is not real it is a show for the masses. They let in who they want in.

Remember when the left hated Clarence Thomas just as much and he went through the same "circus"? Pepperidge farms remembers and so do I.

Except, well Clarence Thomas was involved in Franklin and was allegedly a rapist and a pedophile so....

Has the right ever hated someone? Yeah they hated Obama, a lot. Before Obamer, Clinton. Remember the CNP got together in Tyson's corner with Ken Starr (who represented Epstein, who still goes to CNP meetings, yeah that Kenn Starr, Kavanaugh's mentor) to cook up impeachment.

Oh, btw, William Barr was involved in every deep state operation in the late 80s and early 90's.

At least Janet Reno prosecuted Country Walk. At least Chris Christie went after pedophiles in NJ, if you think I only rag on conservatives. I cannot say the same about current White House counsel Rudolph Giuliani and West Point or William Barr and Franklin.

I do not think people understand this about me. They are all corrupt, they are all blackmailed to some degree. I have no allegiance or faith to any party or government official.
 
#29
Trump clearly has a penile-driven goddess-fetish and I believe he loves his children, so for me this puts him at the matriarchal end of a scale of (albeit toxic) male behaviour. The opposite extreme are the child-raping murderers. They are not the same, although both are products of a patriarchal culture that has treated women and children as exploitable objects or expendable 'raw material' with little or no rights, influence or status for 2,000 years.

Calling it evil tends to dissociate us and makes it impossible to understand. By owning it as the inevitable outcome of a society psychologically deranged by decades of religious contempt, we have the chance to change, starting with a return to reverence for women and their children.
There is hope of this with Trump.
I think someone has been reading too much Wilhelm Reich combined with following Q. How in the hell is Trump a representation of feminism? Reich was a "feminist" and his group molested children. New world better than old world, eh? Women never molest, eh? Thank you I needed a laugh.
 
#30
I think someone has been reading too much Wilhelm Reich combined with following Q. How in the hell is Trump a representation of feminism? Reich was a "feminist" and his group molested children. New world better than old world, eh? Women never molest, eh? Thank you I needed a laugh.
If by "someone" you mean me, I've never read either. You think, but you don't know. Also seem to know nothing about loving women and goddess-worship, his women are amazons. You might need to expand your reading list too.

In the matter of the safety and cherishing of children, I have more hope in a man who clearly loves his own. He can relate on levels perhaps you don't understand.
 
#31
If by "someone" you mean me, I've never read either. You think, but you don't know. Also seem to know nothing about loving women and goddess-worship, his women are amazons. You might need to expand your reading list too.

In the matter of the safety and cherishing of children, I have more hope in a man who clearly loves his own. He can relate on levels perhaps you don't understand.
Yes, Trump is the epitome of fatherhood and feminism.

I would not know anything about being a father, yet, I have two children. I lost a child. I child that I dedicated my life to improving his health and the health of others. I guess I should take what it means to be a father from Donald John Trump, instead of my own father and grandfather. Men that sacrificed everything for their children and were loving and honorable.

https://hollywoodlife.com/2016/02/02/ivanka-donald-trump-throwback-photo-daughter/

Look at that love. The love between a daughter and her father.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...t-unsettling-comments-a-roundup-a7353876.html

Those comments about Ivanka, true NWO goddess worship as you call it. Yeah I could see myself calling my daughter these things when she is grown up, ffs. Trump is a known womanizer.

Trump who cheated on his wives, hell he cheated on Melania with Stormy Daniels. The countless stories of Trump being creepy around models. H1b visas for modeling and sex trafficking. Trump really respects women.
 
#32
Yes, Trump is the epitome of fatherhood and feminism.

I would not know anything about being a father, yet, I have two children. I lost a child. I child that I dedicated my life to improving his health and the health of others. I guess I should take what it means to be a father from Donald John Trump, instead of my own father and grandfather. Men that sacrificed everything for their children and were loving and honorable.

https://hollywoodlife.com/2016/02/02/ivanka-donald-trump-throwback-photo-daughter/

Look at that love. The love between a daughter and her father.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...t-unsettling-comments-a-roundup-a7353876.html

Those comments about Ivanka, true NWO goddess worship as you call it. Yeah I could see myself calling my daughter these things when she is grown up, ffs. Trump is a known womanizer.

Trump who cheated on his wives, hell he cheated on Melania with Stormy Daniels. The countless stories of Trump being creepy around models. H1b visas for modeling and sex trafficking. Trump really respects women.
I'm so sorry you lost a child. You're obviously still hurting. I don't know if one can ever get over that pain, but anger is an exhausting outlet. Quite off-putting too. That's up to you, you would know your father and grandfather best. Sounds like you were lucky there. Enjoy your kids -bye :)
 
#33
Calling it evil tends to dissociate us and makes it impossible to understand. By owning it as the inevitable outcome of a society psychologically deranged by decades of religious contempt, we have the chance to change, starting with a return to reverence for women and their children.
different position... "owning" the reality of a spiritual dimension to this behavior gives us a "chance." skinner box ( reference to the MK ultra experiments the 50s and 60s driven by an overzealous BF skinner followers) psychology won't work.
 
#35
I really find it impossible to believe that:

a) Trump would have gone round abusing kids and then run for president partly in order to round up others doing the same thing. I can believe that he was close enough to some that he discovered what was going on.
we're all just speculating here, but I agree with some version of what you're saying. it's really the only narrative that makes sense. it seems most logical that trump is pretty much who he seems to be. a guy of a certain era, and with a certain master of the universe mentality, who saw nothing wrong with objectifying women and doing some really nasty stuff. it's easy to see how this guy would see his behavior as being totally different from the pedos. it's also easy to imagine that he's had to undergo a little bit of reality shattering as he realize just how deep he had traveled down the well/pit.
 
#36
Re: Power and Prestige
Y’all can have it, I don’t want any of that garbage.

Re: Q
A bunch of pied-piper horse spit.

Re: Trump
What Opperman said

Re: Kavanaugh Hearings // C. Ford
No, she didn’t continue the allegations afterward because her and her family received so many death threats she was basically traumatized. She couldn’t even return to her house.
 
#37
John said it right... school play. So much of the supposed opposition we are shown is school play. I'm glad to see my concerns about Sarah and Rothstein being echoed here.

Sure, Opperman interviews aren't really "evidence" of anything - but neither is anything Sarah has to say.
 
#38
why go there???
Eh, why not at this point. Saying Trump is the epitome of fatherhood and respect for women is ludicrous. Treating women as goddesses has flaws just as much as treating men as gods. We should treat each other with respect when respect is due. No more handing out trophies for having thoughts, I am done with that.

It is not all love and light, this world has real evil. Q is to distract people to sell them false hope. Hope porn. KindaGamey is right about that. Ford was however, suspect with her connections to the CIA. Everyone got death threats.

Alex if you look at it that way could you not say the same things about the Clinton's they have never been charged with crimes or convicted, it is just speculation?

I disagree, there is enough evidence out there that Trump alleged engaged in crimes of the highest order, the same as the Clinton's.

9/11 to 11/9 baby!



https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/...-house-of-putin-by-craig-unger/9781524743505/

Both sides are involved with Russia. Trump with his business dealings with the Russian/Jewish mafia. Clinton with Uranium one. Cold war is back baby! We have been working with the Russians as far back as the cold war, even farther in my opinion.

Did Russia hack the election? No, that is disinfo, however the CNP did influence the election through the Pizzagate data dumps and Cambridge Analytica Facebook ads. The CFR influenced the election by releasing a tape of the Goddess worshiper himself Donald Trump aka "grab um by the pussy" (in his defense however they did let him). It was the CNP that hacked the Diabold machines for him because of one Kenneth John Blackwell (was one of the main men on Trump's election integrity committee, give me a fucking break) who won the election for Bush in 2004 (he fixed Indiana).

https://www.amazon.com/What-Happened-Ohio-Documentary-Election/dp/1595580697

From my friend George who lost the hosting of his great site cavdef.org:

I will give Alex some deserved credit, he did have Ed Opperman on. Josh Reeves or the men from the Antedote podcast, Jeremy and Greg would be more people to have on about it. George from Cavdef.org on trafficking. I am not against you at all Alex, you pushed Sarah and asked the right questions as always. I am angry at the misinformation Sarah tells her viewers. It is not what she says, it is what she does not talk about. May be she does not know, I get it I was blind to it as well. Someone get her this information haha.

It is all there if you look I have provided the sources, prove me wrong. I want to be wrong and the disciples of Q to be right. No one ever does look at the evidence, it saddens me.
 
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#39
Saying Trump is the epitome of fatherhood and respect for women is ludicrous.
John Brisson, your argument is ludicrous while you misquote me and exaggerate my comments to make yours seem reasonable. I didn't say either of these things.

I know the US political system is run by a sordid group of foul-minded violent scum that does what it likes, has the rest of the world under permanent threat and pulling strings in any country it can get a military base. No prizes for spotting that. I can't vote in the US election but still have to live with seeing what they do. I have little hope but that Sarah Westall is doing her bit and men will start teaching others to behave better.

Obviously this is a subject that stirs up strong feeling, as it should, but you won't achieve anything shouting about me. Except perhaps make me reluctant to follow this forum. How about you channel your significant energy and well-informed data towards the actual perpetrators.

I know you're going to respond angrily whatever I say, it's possibly your default position, and I'm sure we'd never be friends, so let's drop it, unless you (probably) want the last word. Go ahead, I'll ignore it.
 
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