She Brings Wicca to Psychotherapy With Tangible Results |329| by Alex Tsakiris | Oct 12 | Spirituality Share Tweet +1 Dr. Jane Kent practices Wicca and High Magic in concert with traditional Western psychotherapy. photo by: Kali Bardi On this episode of Skeptiko, I’m joined by Dr. Jane Kent to talk about here new book, The Goddess and the Shaman: The Art & Science of Magical Healing: Alex Tsakiris: Let’s talk about that a little bit because I know this is on the back of the mind of a lot of people who are listening. It’s always right behind the scenes a lot of times for me when I talk to people who are deep into magic, Wicca or any of those things… and I’m not a Christian, I’m not a Buddhist, I’m not a religious person, but if a Christian comes to me and says, “Hey, you know what? It’s all about love. It’s all about selfless service.” I get that. Dr. Jane Kent: Nothing wrong with that. Alex Tsakiris: Right. But here’s the thing, I may think that their knowledge of history is pretty lame and I’d probably push them on the historicity of Jesus. And I may think they’re kind of closed-minded about how their sacred text have been twisted by the institutions for control and manipulation, but what they’re saying speaks to my heart. Versus, if I speak to someone and they practice magic, and the first thing they tell me is about Aleister Crowley and “do what thou wilt” — I don’t get it. Love, selfless service speaks to my heart. “Do what thou wilt”, I can’t get there. It comes back and it starts sounding a lot like power, control… Dr. Jane Kent: Self-indulgence. I do talk about that in the book, about Crowley’s approach to things. I go into quite a lot of detail about that. But yeah, love is at the basis of spiritual reality, so I think people who focus on that, good on them. That’s fine. But Huhn says that the whole Jesus story, the whole basis of Christianity is actually taken from the Egyptian text and that in Egypt and Greece, that the mystery plays and the mystery tradition were all about understanding that coming into the physical world is coming into really like death. What we think about death as death is not how those people saw it. The physical world is death and the spiritual world is life.