Mod+ Sign Up for Webinars with Craig Weiler and David Metcalfe

#1
Shameless little bit of self promotion for an upcoming series of webinars:

http://weilerpsiblog.wordpress.com/...ebinars-with-craig-weiler-and-david-metcalfe/

http://evolverlearninglab.com/products/psi

We've managed to get quite a few guests that are of great interest to this forum. There's an early bird special so if you're interested, don't wait to sign up:

  • James Carpenter, president of the Parapsychological Association and author of the groundbreaking theory of psi, “First Sight”
  • Julie Beischel, PhD. Co-Founder and Director of Research at the Windbridge Institute, whose work investigates the therapeutic value of mediumship and the mysteries of discarnate communication
  • Dan Booth Cohen and Emily Volden, pioneers of Systemic Constellations, a new form of therapy that assumes that consciousness is nonlocal
  • Chris Carter, author of the authoritative book, “Science and Psychic Phenomena: The Fall of the House of Skeptics”
  • William Bengston, author of “Energy Cure,” his memoir of researching hands-on healing in a rigorous, scientific environment
 
#2
When you interview Bengston, it would be good if you could ask him for the references that he promised. I volunteered to Email him on behalf of the thread, and he kindly agreed to do so, but never did, and stopped responding to Email.

Cheers,
Bill
 
#3
When you interview Bengston, it would be good if you could ask him for the references that he promised. I volunteered to Email him on behalf of the thread, and he kindly agreed to do so, but never did, and stopped responding to Email.

Cheers,
Bill
Can you give me some idea what references you're looking for? I'm not familiar with the discussion.

Also, I can't guarantee that I'll ask him because people are paying for this webinar. We'll be focused on providing them the best experience possible, not chasing Bengston down over a promise he didn't keep with someone else.

I can tell you that he is a very busy guy. It's very likely that he couldn't get you whatever you requested as easily as he imagined and simply moved on to more pressing duties. It happens.
 
#4
Can you give me some idea what references you're looking for? I'm not familiar with the discussion.
Hi Craig,

We were unable to find any references regarding the assertion that mice injected with the cancer were shown to be 100 percent fatal. Here is where it came up:

http://forum.mind-energy.net/skepti...ed-cancer-industry-podcast-29.html#post122589


Also, I can't guarantee that I'll ask him because people are paying for this webinar. We'll be focused on providing them the best experience possible, not chasing Bengston down over a promise he didn't keep with someone else.

I can tell you that he is a very busy guy. It's very likely that he couldn't get you whatever you requested as easily as he imagined and simply moved on to more pressing duties. It happens.
Fine with me, but I'm a busy guy too, so even though I'm not a "skeptic," I do agree with them when certain people don't backup their claims, and I don't waste my time listening to them until they do.

Cheers,
Bill
 
#5
It's very likely that he couldn't get you whatever you requested as easily as he imagined and simply moved on to more pressing duties. It happens.
I would like to add that it was my gut impression from our email exchanges that this is not the case. Of course, I could be wrong, and in this case would be happy to be proven so.

Cheers,
Bill
 
#8
That is the exact assertion for which references were being sought.

Cheers,
Bill
I believe that this information is specific enough that you don't need Bengston to confirm it.
That is the exact assertion for which references were being sought.

Cheers,
Bill
A quick web search revealed the origin of the mice:
http://jaxmice.jax.org/strain/000659.html

The cancer strain was a bit more difficult but it can be found on page 45 of this catalog:
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/108830096/tumor-catalog
Tumor designation:H2712 Host survival 14-27 days. If you need more information than that you can always email the lab.
 
#9
Mammary Adenocarcinoma appears to be the most common type of cancer in mice. While there are different strains with different survival times it is usually fatal (at least that is what my internet research says). From http://www.merckmanuals.com/vet/exo...s/rodents/mice_and_rats_as_pets.html#v3310250 :

"In contrast, mammary tumors in mice are nearly always malignant and often are not amenable to surgical removal. The most common spontaneous tumors associated with the skin are mammary adenocarcinomas, followed by fibrosarcomas. The incidence of mammary tumors varies according to the mouse strain and the presence or absence of mouse mammary tumor viruses; the incidence is as high as 70% in some strains. In wild and outbred mice, the incidence of fibrosarcomas is 1–6%.

Subcutaneous tumors are nearly always malignant and often have ulcerated by the time a diagnosis is made. Tumors can be treated by surgical excision, but the chance of recurrence is high and the prognosis is poor."

Since Bengston claims that the mice were cured and lived out their normal lifespans, focusing on the details of the particular strain used and its particular survival time seems to be a little bit nitpicky.
 
#11
It took a while but I found this:

http://cancerres.aacrjournals.org/content/26/11_Part_1/2297.full.pdf

and

http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF00199325

Which both take it as a given that H2712 has a 100% fatality rate in C3H/HeJ (mice bred to be susceptible to cancer). Although paywalls block most of them, a perusal of google scholar shows that this strain and these mice are used a lot in cancer experiments.
Yes, paywalls are a problem - I always felt a kind of unsatisfied intellectual lust making Google Scholar searches, seeing a whole sea of results but being able to access freely only a small drop. :(
 
#12
It took a while but I found this:

http://cancerres.aacrjournals.org/content/26/11_Part_1/2297.full.pdf

and

http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF00199325

Which both take it as a given that H2712 has a 100% fatality rate in C3H/HeJ (mice bred to be susceptible to cancer). Although paywalls block most of them, a perusal of google scholar shows that this strain and these mice are used a lot in cancer experiments.
I have the pdfs for these two articles, but how can I show them? They are both about 1.8 MB: too big to 'Upload a File'.
 
#13
I have the pdfs for these two articles, but how can I show them? They are both about 1.8 MB: too big to 'Upload a File'.
I think that once the links are available, that's enough. If someone wants to question the statement that this strain of cancer produces 100% fatality in this strain of mice then they can do their own further research. We've provided a convincing amount of information.
 
#14
Just a reminder, we have our first webinar in two days: Wednesday, Jan. 15th at 8pm EST. We'll have the president of the Parapsychological Association, Jim Carpenter as our guest. How cool is that?
 
#15
Craig, I am honored to be part of the series. I'll be presenting with psychic psychotherapist Emily Volden on how we combine non-local consciousness with therapy to help relieve emotional, behavioral and relationship difficulties.

After-Life Communication is conventionally considered to be either unbelievable, or possible only with the facilitation of a gifted medium. However, the process known as Family Constellations regularly enables people to perceive the thoughts, feelings and emotions of the living and deceased while invoking active ancestral presence. When this modality is combined with psychotherapy, the blended experiential process allows anyone to perceive the effects of the fields of Morphic resonance that link members of family systems, tribal communities and cultural constructs across distances of space and time. Dan Booth Cohen, PhD and Emily Volden, LICSW will discuss how they have integrated the constellation process and psychotherapy to enable clients to gain practical, real-world transformation for personal issues and free themselves and their relationships from sabotaging patterns.
 
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