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Please don't presume to speak for anyone but yourself. Your statement is inappropriate.No one believes that. Except for just about everyone in this thread and on this forum.
Please don't presume to speak for anyone but yourself. Your statement is inappropriate.No one believes that. Except for just about everyone in this thread and on this forum.
Please don't presume to speak for anyone but yourself. Your statement is inappropriate.
Please don't presume to speak for anyone but yourself. Your statement is inappropriate.
Your sarcasm in this thread is skillfullyPlus, as Alex emphatically pointed out earlier in this thread the SRI video is basically off limits to criticism because of its history with Randi.
Your sarcasm in this thread is skillfully
subtle
Right here. This.Come on, Smithy. It's a magic trick. I don't know how Geller did it, especially not based on just a short description, but that kind of stuff is what magicians do for a living!
Do you really think that any magic trick that you see, that you don't know how it's done, is a candidate for psychic powers?
Is that not an argument from authority in a way? Maybe argument from negative authority, or negative argument from authority?Plus, as Alex emphatically pointed out earlier in this thread the SRI video is basically off limits to criticism because of its history with Randi.
He only uses psi when his conjuring powers desert him... or something...And then we could discuss how to tell when he is real and when fake. Because if he's real every time except when he is busted, well, then, uh ...
~~ Paul
when you were criticising it?Plus, as Alex emphatically pointed out earlier in this thread the SRI video is basically off limits to criticism because of its history with Randi.
I'll admit that my mind is tentatively made up. In my >50 years I've seen enough magic tricks, that if I see a person making my card pop up out of a deck, or making compass needles move, or bending spoons, or sawing a woman in half, I comfortably assume that it's another trick. That doesn't mean I don't appreciate the performance - I love magic tricks!. But I don't sit there and wonder "could he really be producing the jack of diamonds with psi?". Instead I wonder what I missed when he was misdirecting my attention, and when he did it.
I've never heard Bavli say he has psi powers.Now, how about this one:
I've never heard Bavli say he has psi powers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Bavli
Here is the video in English:
Note how he evades the question of telekinetic powers at 1:40. And at 2:40: "What you saw was a form of telekinesis, or what other people perceive as telekinesis."
Pretty obvious what's going on at 4:16--4:28, I think. Why did the host let him touch it?!
Where did the key at 5:42 come from?
~~ Paul
Just more trickery. You might want to lookup on Youtube James Hydrick performing similar tricks.Sorry - accidentally I put in the Spanish version.
Anyway - to show that I am quite willing to know what the experts say:
But.... the critic did not say a word about the high peak burst on the EEG....
Just more trickery. You might want to lookup on Youtube James Hydrick performing similar tricks.
The human brain at full throttle uses about 15-20 watts. Not much is it?
He is a "neuropsychologist," not a "neurologist." Now is there some reason we shouldn't believe that Guy is performing a trick with the EEG, too? Also, come on, how did they correlate the gamma spike with the pen moving? The least they could have done to convince us was show us a timer.Oh..... and? Is that the answer to the strong peak in the EEG? The neurologist said that he had never seen something like that before and offers no explanation. Apparently you do? Then tell us - I am all ears!
He is a "neuropsychologist," not a "neurologist." Now is there some reason we shouldn't believe that Guy is performing a trick with the EEG, too? Also, come on, how did they correlate the gamma spike with the pen moving? The least they could have done to convince us was show us a timer.
My personal opinion? The entire thing was staged.
~~ Paul
Just clarifying what he was.So what? A neuropsychologist should have considerable knowledge about EEG's.
I would wonder why we would trust what a TV channel says about how they produced their shows.But Paul, as usual you are so right! Of course, the whole thing MIUST have been staged....
However, suppose we write to the channel involved, and ask them for details, we receive them and from which it becomes abundantly clear that is was NOT staged. What will you say then?
What happens when a magnet is placed near an EEG lead? Why wasn't a long baseline reading done? Why didn't they at least try to find out what a magnet would do? Why didn't they show us how they correlated the spike with the pen movement?I know your reply already: no matter what - it was fake anyway...
I would wonder why we would trust what a TV channel says about how they produced their shows.
What happens when a magnet is placed near an EEG lead? Why wasn't a long baseline reading done? Why didn't they at least try to find out what a magnet would do? Why didn't they show us how they correlated the spike with the pen movement?
It's not even trying to be a controlled experiment. It's entertainment. And finally, why would you assume that Bavli is doing psi when he never says that he is? Isn't that a bit of "I don't know how he did it, so it must be psi"?
~~ Paul
Sorry, I didn't mean to say you, specifically. I often use "you" when I ought to use "people" or something. I apologize.Sure it is all entertainment....Have it your way.
But your latest line is sheer b****t. Nowhere have I insinuated that "I cannot explain it therefore it must be psi".