Suzanne Giesemann medium readings provide evidence of love and guidance |334|

great point. add the fact that we don't really know who/what she's an instrument of... but that aside, I'm willing to accept that loved ones use folks like Suzanne to send us messages.
That's right we cannnot know for certain who the purported communicators are. I suppose it's similar here too in that if we can't see the person talking to us, or worse, are receiving messages passed through a third party we may have a degree of confidence that it is who we think it is but certainty? I don't think so. We're easily fooled sometimes by impersonators here - phishing and the like.
 
I agree with this, as far as "personal evil" goes, it doesn't generally bode well to dwell on it, sure. I still think though about those who, as you said, have it thrust upon them. Looking upward hasn't worked for some people. So, I'm just not convinced she isn't choosing to sidestep that issue precisely because of its complicated nature.

I struggle with the fact that a lot these mediums never seem to have any good answers to some of these really big questions, which leads me to believe that either they aren't what they claim to be, or that the "other side" doesn't know much more than we do. Otherwise, why do so many never have an answer, much less a good one? Maybe I'm just showing my ignorance here, but it's been something I've been interested in for a long time and it seems the more I look for an answer, all I get are more questions.

And thanks for the info about Pat Tillman. I hadn't even heard about that, but that all happened when I was pretty well entrenched in my materialist mindset, and pretty much bought what the MSM and PTB had to say without much questioning.
I have also wondered about this. I suspect as well that ultimately they don't know. There is an interesting read here: http://www.astralpulse.com/frankkepple.html probably many of you have read it. He kind of addresses that question 2/3 of the way down in his personal findings on God. I tend to think if the wider reality is hierarchical, it has evolved to become that way rather than it being inherent.
 
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That's right we cannnot know for certain who the purported communicators are. I suppose it's similar here too in that if we can't see the person talking to us, or worse, are receiving messages passed through a third party we may have a degree of confidence that it is who we think it is but certainty? I don't think so. We're easily fooled sometimes by impersonators here - phishing and the like.
As mentioned earlier in this thread, The Siren Call of Hungry Ghosts, which I read this week has completely changed the way I look at all channelled and mediumistic communications. I'm having to reconsider many of my core beliefs as a result of that book.
 
I struggle with the fact that a lot these mediums never seem to have any good answers to some of these really big questions, which leads me to believe that either they aren't what they claim to be, or that the "other side" doesn't know much more than we do. Otherwise, why do so many never have an answer, much less a good one? Maybe I'm just showing my ignorance here, but it's been something I've been interested in for a long time and it seems the more I look for an answer, all I get are more questions.
Here's something I've said in various ways many times before but which I feel more strongly than ever.

The real question, boiled down to a few words: "Why are there no good answers?" Here I don't mean in a moral sense (though that is important) but really I mean it in a nitty gritty sense. Why are there no good answers to ANY of the stuff discussed on 300+ episodes of Skeptiko?

Think about it. We have all this stuff:
-UFOs
-Medium communication
-NDEs
-Remote Viewing
-Ghosts
-"Alien Abduction"
-Synchronicity
-Reincarnation
and so on

There are no good answers to any of it. WHY? Well, there are three possible answers:
-The skeptics are right. This stuff does not exist.
-The problem is hard and we just haven't tried hard enough - we need more research, we need funding, etc etc etc
OR
-It is designed this way ON PURPOSE by some power which is able to regulate ALL of these fields of study. All these fields dance just out of reach. They drive you mad. There is plenty of evidence but there is no proof. How can this be? Answer: because it is done ON PURPOSE.

In all these fields, people talk about phenomena. This is not phenomena. It is a series of oblique messages from an intelligence. This intelligence desires plausible deniability and, furthermore, this intelligence knows EXACTLY what it can get away with and what it can't. It drops no balls. It makes no mistakes. Who do we know who makes no mistakes? Well, sounds to me like God (I know that word is loaded with baggage but I have no other word). I am not saying that there aren't separate entities behind these various things but I am saying that they are regulated.

There is no other answer. The "we need to try harder" idea cannot be true across such a wide variety of things and over such an extended period of time.

Sorry to rant. :) The intelligence behind this does not want us to solve these problems (at least not yet). He wants us to think about them. It is all a game.

A really excellent post:
http://hiddenexperience.blogspot.co.uk/2009/03/cat-and-string.html
 
The intelligence behind this does not want us to solve these problems (at least not yet). He wants us to think about them. It is all a game.
Sorry, I don't buy this.

Of course you listed a whole bunch of possibly unrelated topics, and I don't intend to discuss them all.

But to consider just one example, reincarnation. Far from being a mystery kept hidden out of sight, the evidence thrusts itself forcefully into people's lives. There's no particular mystery about it. And I certainly don't consider it a game - there is a seriousness which arises as already mentioned, these things thrust themselves forcefully into our lives, giving us no choice other than to address them first, before considering more mundane topics.

I suspect the real picture is that people simply don't like the answers, so continue looking after they already found them ... inevitably leading further away rather than closer to what they seek.
 
-It is designed this way ON PURPOSE by some power which is able to regulate ALL of these fields of study. All these fields dance just out of reach. They drive you mad. There is plenty of evidence but there is no proof. How can this be? Answer: because it is done ON PURPOSE
The believer's justification for a "God of the Gaps", eh? ;)

It still resonates with me at some level but falls short of satisfying.
 
Here's something I've said in various ways many times before but which I feel more strongly than ever.

The real question, boiled down to a few words: "Why are there no good answers?" Here I don't mean in a moral sense (though that is important) but really I mean it in a nitty gritty sense. Why are there no good answers to ANY of the stuff discussed on 300+ episodes of Skeptiko?

Think about it. We have all this stuff:
-UFOs
-Medium communication
-NDEs
-Remote Viewing
-Ghosts
-"Alien Abduction"
-Synchronicity
-Reincarnation
and so on

There are no good answers to any of it. WHY? Well, there are three possible answers:
-The skeptics are right. This stuff does not exist.
-The problem is hard and we just haven't tried hard enough - we need more research, we need funding, etc etc etc
OR
-It is designed this way ON PURPOSE by some power which is able to regulate ALL of these fields of study. All these fields dance just out of reach. They drive you mad. There is plenty of evidence but there is no proof. How can this be? Answer: because it is done ON PURPOSE.

In all these fields, people talk about phenomena. This is not phenomena. It is a series of oblique messages from an intelligence. This intelligence desires plausible deniability and, furthermore, this intelligence knows EXACTLY what it can get away with and what it can't. It drops no balls. It makes no mistakes. Who do we know who makes no mistakes? Well, sounds to me like God (I know that word is loaded with baggage but I have no other word). I am not saying that there aren't separate entities behind these various things but I am saying that they are regulated.

There is no other answer. The "we need to try harder" idea cannot be true across such a wide variety of things and over such an extended period of time.

Sorry to rant. :) The intelligence behind this does not want us to solve these problems (at least not yet). He wants us to think about them. It is all a game.

A really excellent post:
http://hiddenexperience.blogspot.co.uk/2009/03/cat-and-string.html
Or 4 - we haven't looked in the right place yet.
Or 5 - we've had an answer but we don't like it.
Or 6 - we've had an answer but we don't understand it.
 
Sorry, I don't buy this.
Of course you listed a whole bunch of possibly unrelated topics, and I don't intend to discuss them all.
But they have a commonality that they are all mysterious and "sterile". Conversation on them does not progress.

But to consider just one example, reincarnation. Far from being a mystery kept hidden out of sight, the evidence thrusts itself forcefully into people's lives. There's no particular mystery about it. And I certainly don't consider it a game - there is a seriousness which arises as already mentioned, these things thrust themselves forcefully into our lives, giving us no choice other than to address them first, before considering more mundane topics.
When I say "game" I mean at the highest level. A societal level. Of course, it does not feel a game to those afflicted.
 
The believer's justification for a "God of the Gaps", eh? ;)
I like that. "God of the gaps"

It still resonates with me at some level but falls short of satisfying.
Yes. Agreed. It does not satisfy. But it is a data point which should not be ignored.

Too often we only consider the "positive" evidence - things which have happened - we overlook the "negative" evidence - things which have NOT happened but which "should" have happened.
 
But they have a commonality that they are all mysterious and "sterile". Conversation on them does not progress.
Well, there is only one real question we need to answer. How do we enable communication between one person and another? Solve that problem and most of the other issues would be resolved.

Example, someone has an NDE, experiences something immense, but finds it impossible to share with others, words don't suffice.

When I say "game" I mean at the highest level. A societal level. Of course, it does not feel a game to those afflicted.
Case in point. I mean no offence when I say I don't understand what you mean here.
 
Well, there is only one real question we need to answer. How do we enable communication between one person and another? Solve that problem and most of the other issues would be resolved.

Example, someone has an NDE, experiences something immense, but finds it impossible to share with others, words don't suffice.
A good point. Much is beyond words. Also, people just don't take the time to look in detail. They take the easy answer "it doesn’t exist" and then move on. It takes real commitment to get a "feel" for this stuff. You have to read books. You have to consider things which are difficult and may be uncomfortable. You have to wade through all kinds of rubbish as all this topics are polluted. And, of course, opinions are also very mixed among those who have made that commitment.

When I say "game" I mean at the highest level. A societal level. Of course, it does not feel a game to those afflicted.


Case in point. I mean no offence when I say I don't understand what you mean here.
I guess I am not 100% sure myself :) A few things:
-When I say game, I don't mean to be flippant. It may well be a serious game with high stakes. But all this "paranormal" stuff in aggregate is some kind of game played with the whole human race. Most people ignore it or take the religious view they were socialised into by their parents. The game exists on the periphery of their understanding. Then there are the folks on Skeptiko (and similar places) who are willing to do a bit more work. I feel "we" have better knowledge but things certainly are not solved!
-It can feel like a game to those afflicted (but doesn't have to). I feel that way about my personal stuff (synchronicities). And, it is my firm opinion that "God" has a serious sense of humour.

I think the best analogy is that this stuff is some kind of "Easter Egg" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easter_egg_(media)

So, really, "life" is the game, the "universe" is the playing field and the paranormal are the "Easter Eggs" which are placed in the game (for reasons not entirely clear) by the creator of the game. There is no instruction manual for the game (though there are numerous documents claiming to be the instruction manual). It is unclear how you "win" (though I think love has something to do with it). Different players are dealt wildly different hands. Some play the game without ever thinking for a second that they are in a game. Others experience things which make that more apparent (paranormal things). It is unclear whether knowing about the easter eggs improves your chances of "winning". There may be a second parallel game running in the "spirit world" or that may be a "time out" zone.

Is it a scary game? Sometimes. Can it be brutal? Yes. Is it fair? No. Should God be condemned for making the game? Not in my opinion but opinions certainly vary. Some feel the creator of the game is a "demented psychopath". Maybe true.

And, of course, what relationship can we have with the creator of the game? A relationship of equals? Should we blindly obey this creator? Should we get down on our knees and worship him? Does that make him "happy"? What could he need from us anyway? The creator is definitely there (in my opinion) but we get no straight answers. Just hints and riddles.

What I find amazing is that most people just don't care. They choose the blue pill.
 
What I find amazing is that most people just don't care. They choose the blue pill.
Agreed. But like you say, those of us who are interested get no straight answers anyway - just hints and riddles. I've been asking myself how this interest has helped me progress personally and I don't know if it has. The few hints I get just lead to more questions. If the "other side" doesn't know either, I also have to wonder what the purpose of these "Easter eggs" is. Raise consciousness in some way?
 
Agreed. But like you say, those of us who are interested get no straight answers anyway - just hints and riddles. I've been asking myself how this interest has helped me progress personally and I don't know if it has. The few hints I get just lead to more questions. If the "other side" doesn't know either, I also have to wonder what the purpose of these "Easter eggs" is. Raise consciousness in some way?
maybe, but can you imagine going back to not knowing what you now know? I can't.
 
Agreed. But like you say, those of us who are interested get no straight answers anyway - just hints and riddles. I've been asking myself how this interest has helped me progress personally and I don't know if it has.
Totally agree. Very complicated in my personal circumstance but I know exactly what you mean.

The few hints I get just lead to more questions. If the "other side" doesn't know either, I also have to wonder what the purpose of these "Easter eggs" is. Raise consciousness in some way?
Don't know. Perhaps the purpose is to make us think? Also, I wonder if they are not "essential" to the game. They are kind of extras. Not sure about that (very complicated - hard to explain).
 
Or 5 - we've had an answer but we don't like it.
That comes closest for me. The bible says God is Love. NDErs say God is Love. We know instinctively that we are our higher selves when we act with love. However we want to hang on to our crap, the bitching, the spite, the blame, the lust, the meanness, the comfort blankets of ego and keep a foot in both worlds. I suspect that isn't possible.
 
maybe, but can you imagine going back to not knowing what you now know? I can't.
LOL, fair point. No, I can't. I guess I was coming at it from the angle that ultimately there aren't any clear cut answers EXCEPT possibly "its all about love" and/or working out your issues now. Am I any better off than if I chose the blue pill and followed the "love" path?
 
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