Texas Teen Says He Saw Jesus Before Being Revived

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http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2015/05/14/texas-teen-says-he-saw-jesus-before-being-revived/

video link:
http://dfw.cbslocal.com/video?autoStart=true&topVideoCatNo=default&clipId=11498514

FORT WORTH(CBSDFW.COM) — Doctors can’t seem to explain it, but one Texas family is sure it was the hand of God that brought their son back to life.

17-year-old Zack Clements is a strong, healthy and outgoing high school athlete. He goes to school and plays football at Victory Life Academy in Brownwood, Texas.

It was there last week the teen suddenly collapsed while running in P.E. class.

He was rushed to the hospital where doctors worked to revive him.

According to Clements, “they said I was without a heart beat for 20 minutes.”

When doctors finally got a pulse, Clements was airlifted to Cook Children’s Hospital in Fort Worth. He would wake up there in the intensive care unit days later.

His recovery has been hard to believe, but even more amazing is the story he tells of what he saw when his heart stopped beating.

“When I was out those 20 minutes, I saw a man who had long ruffled hair and kind of a thick beard, and it didn’t take me long to realize that that was Jesus,” he said.

He described what the family is convinced was a miracle.

“I went up to him and he put his hand on my shoulder and he told me everything would be alright and not to worry.”

His father Billy Clements says he know it’s a difficult story for many people to accept, however for him and his family, it’s the only thing that makes sense.

“For him to wake up and tell us something he experienced like that. It’s just you can’t explain it. It’s not humanly possible to explain it,” said Billy Clements.

The teen’s mother, Teresa Clements says although it may be a medical mystery to doctors, she has accepted that her son coming back to life was a result of divine intervention.

“I’m just glad he decided to let me have my baby back,” said Teresa Clements.

As for the Zack, he plans on going back to school in Brownwood as soon as he is given the all clear at Cook Children’s Hospital. He expects that to happen in the next few days.

The family is hoping to raise money for Zack’s medical bills. To make a donation click here. They are also raising money by selling T-shirts.

Doug
 
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The description of the long ruffled hair matches the NDE experience of Penny Sartori's patient 10

Zack Clements ...."I saw a man who had long ruffled hair and kind of a thick beard,

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Patient 10 ..."I saw my father – definitely – and I saw this chap. I

don’t know who he was, maybe Jesus, but this chap had long, black,

scruffy hair that needed combing."
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Who is this guy with the definitive hair, it couldn't be.... could it ?
 

Ian Gordon

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I saw a man who had long ruffled hair and kind of a thick beard, and it didn’t take me long to realize that that was Jesus.

That doesn't mean he saw Jesus. It means he saw "a man who had long ruffled hair and kind of a thick beard", and he thought it was Jesus. That's different from NDErs who meet a being who identifies himself as Jesus.
 
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I saw a man who had long ruffled hair and kind of a thick beard, and it didn’t take me long to realize that that was Jesus.

That doesn't mean he saw Jesus. It means he saw "a man who had long ruffled hair and kind of a thick beard", and he thought it was Jesus. That's different from NDErs from meet a being who identifies himself as Jesus.
Don't get that, Ian

Yes the boy just assumed it was Jesus and Mike Richards (patient 10) who didn't know who it was but thought it might be Jesus "As Mike said, he didn't say he was Jesus, or God who am I to say. I didn't say it was Jesus either, I just thought it was interesting that this figure seems to appear not inconsistently and those details seem to match.
There are lot more of these BTW

Who do you think it might be ?

Just to add, I'm not religious but I'm not a Jesus phobe, if it's him, it's him if it's not that's okay too, there's no way to find out, really.
 
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Ian Gordon

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Who do you think it might be .
I have no idea who it might be, Tim. An ancestor he doesn't know, a messenger, a spirit guide, an angel, Jesus, etc. etc. Could be many things.

I guess I'm making the same point you are: there's no way of knowing who that was - which is different from what the boy is saying, "that he realizes he saw Jesus".

I have no problem with Jesus appearing in NDEs, whatever that ultimately means, I'm just careful to jump to conclusions regarding testimonies that don't warrant such conclusions.

I had a similar problem reading Mary Neal's NDE book To Heaven and Back, although in this case I felt the conclusion was more grievous, because she contradicted herself. I don't remember all the details of the book, which I have in front of me here, but if I remember correctly she has an NDE during a kayak accident (where Jesus does not appear), and later on she has another spiritual experience while lying on a hospital bed, where she suddenly finds herself sitting in a rock in a sun-drenched field. (p. 97). She says she was having a "conversation" with a being on another rock. "I call the being an angel, but I don't really know what he was: angel, messenger, Christ, or teacher. I do know that he was of God, in God, and from God". (p. 97-98)

Which is all fine. But later on the book she writes as if that being had clearly been Jesus, no question about it. P. 148: "During my initial hospitalization (...), when I was speaking with Jesus in the sun-drenched field... (my bold)" (!) You see what I mean?

Also, I appreciate your matching the boy's vision with other NDErs who saw a being with similar hair & facial hair, but there are a great amount of descriptions of Jesus in NDEs at great variance with one another (color of hair, skin, etc.), so personally I don't think we can make much of that.
 
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I agree with you, Ian. It's an assumption we can't make. As for Mary Neale I find her story compelling but I didn't buy the book in case it was a lecture etc

The descriptions of "Jesus" do seem to vary quite a bit. Pam Reynolds didn't see this figure but what was re-assuring to me was that her Grandmother was there who apparently was a wild woman, married seven times and her uncle, a bar room seducer of pretty women . They were obviously not excluded and that gives me hope :), cause I don't fancy the other too much
 
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One thing I've noticed, some NDE accounts include an encounter with a luminous being, perhaps not even having any particular shape, and the experiencer will say sometimes that they thought it was Jesus or God. I'm not entirely sure that assigning a name adds any particular value when what is most important is everything else, for example the love or the wisdom or whatever else took place during the NDE. I've a feeling that when the being takes on a particular form it is mainly about expressing things in a language which the person can understand. By 'language' here I mean a symbolic language, not one of words.
 
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I've a feeling that when the being takes on a particular form it is mainly about expressing things in a language which the person can understand.
I might add a couple of points. One is that I change my mind about such things fairly frequently, this is just how I see things at the moment. The other is that there are lots of NDE encounters with deceased family members, I don't place these in the quite the same category, as they are more specifically identified as particular individuals.

Though one might add layers of confusion here, if we are to add the idea of reincarnation into the mix (which is sometimes reflected in NDE accounts) then our deceased relative for example could possibly choose to appear in the form from a different incarnation if they so wished. Or maybe not, I don't know, I just like to turn over ideas and let them tumble around.
 
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All communication in heaven is done telepathically (energy exchange), cause we are all one with our creator. There are no words exchange needed. We don't have vocal cords in heaven. Your thoughts is my thoughts, mine is yours so there are no need to lie or keep hidden secrets in heaven. The young teen will recognize Jesus not because of his looks alone, but his being there, the instant knowing. We will all recognize Jesus. After all, he's the Son of God and the presider and the gate keeper of planet Earth; which was his promise to us 2000 years ago when he was crucified. This is why Satan, demons and discarnate soulds are not willing to return to heaven, knowing that they have formed their own lower kingdom far away from the light due to their rebellion against Jesus and God.

Jesus Christ can also appear in any form that comforts the soul returning to heaven, since he is the gate keeper. Not every soul returning or transitioning to heaven is a "white" Anglo-Saxon teenager you know. What about the Chinese, Japanese, East Indian and other nationalities, creed and religious people? They will not be comfortable meeting a white Anglo-Saxon man, so Jesus will adjust his appearances to be your friend. You need to remember that in the spiritual realm, everything is energy and therefore can be formed in any shapes, looks and feel accordingly and instantly unlike planet Earth.
 
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Kerry said the visions occurred while she was fully awake

"“He was standing in front of wrought iron gates, wearing a black three-piece suit,” she said.

"“I believed Katie Price was a vampire nurse,” she said.

“For hours I thought she was trying to kill me and I was truly terrified."

" I think it stemmed from the fact Peter had also suffered meningitis.”

"“I was on so many drugs that were being administered to save my life."

Mark Wright, former star of reality TV series, TOWIE, was another subconscious visitor.

http://www.kentonline.co.uk/sheerness/news/dying-woman-woken-from-coma-37132/

@Paul Linda and Arouet

Too late, I already debunked it !
 
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I would not trust any reports from any news media outlets..

Here is Kerry's experience in her own words:

https://www.meningitisnow.org/support-us/news-centre/meningitis-stories/kerrys-story/

She describes halucinations when she was awake not in a coma, and she says nothing about the afterlife or a bright light or gates of heaven. She didn't remember anything from her coma. It wasn't an NDE. I think the newspapers turned it into an NDE because it makes better headlines.
She says:
""I began to hallucinate. I saw Peter Andre dressed in a dinner jacket with Katie Price, who I believed was a vampire nurse. For hours I thought she was trying to kill me and I was truly terrified. Vivid colours swam in my eyes and I had no control over what I was seeing. I even saw members of the cast of The Only Way Is Essex (TOWIE). It was totally bizarre and scary."
She says the doctors were giving her a lot of drugs but she doesn't say what they were.
 
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Hi All,

I find this inordinately fascinating. Not so much the content and nature of the 2 "NDEs" posted in this thread, but the nature of the responses from forum members. Actually, I feel they reveal so much more than the content of the NDEs themselves, and tell a far more interesting story about the nature of human consciousness.....

Having spent a lifetime (decades) researching NDEs and similar "STEs", the surrounding conceptual paradigms etc, as well as, well, having them - and having absolutely no doubt that we have no viable current scientific explanations for a whole range of anomalous phenomena such as NDEs as well as being extremely open to the possibility we never will have, I am extremely far from being an "atheist" or "debunker" or "materialist" etc. However, I also happen to find the current trend of religous-like interpretations of NDE narratives to be dogmatic & ignorant of the wider history and conceptual framework of NDE & STEs. An excellent case in point is the new NDE video by David Sunfellow (I think was also linked in the NDE thread on this forum a few weeks ago). An astute and informed watcher would notice the subtle & creeping influence of dogmatic belief on the interpretations of the experiences, and more importantly how easy it would be to tear down the proposed theology that is being suggested - just way too many contradictions, too much contrary data. Only a smooth internal filtering process, or ignorance of the wider data, could hide this fact...

Hi Dave - You appear to have confused Krishna with Jesus! Hare Krishna, Hare Hare.

Hi Tim - haha :)

Hi Politicaljunkie - true dat!

Hi Jim - Thanks for looking into it further & providing more info. I intentionally posted a link from an (obviously) questionable source (posted at Daily Grail), to see what kind of responses it would get. However, just to correct you, she did actually see a "bright light", "gates", and was told "it's not your time, you're getting better, go back". Pretty typical NDE content.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbi...lucinating-Saint-Peter-approached-heaven.html

Having read and heard what must be thousands of NDE (and associated) reports (quite a few in person, btw, such as family and friends) going back thousands of years, I find absolutely nothing unique or unusual in Kerry's NDE. I can understand why people don't want to focus on it though, as it challenges the narrow yet comfortable fairy-tale narrative of the NDE which is so en vogue nowadays (never mind the completely different narratives going back hundreds of years!!). To ignore or debunk would be the go-to response!

I think it intellectually dishonest to either discount or laugh at Kerry's NDE. She WAS near death, she DID encounter a "bright light", and was told that old, some would say non-sensical, cliché "it's not your time yet, you have to go back". That she met Peter Andre, doesn't frame the experience in glowing terms, and was on medication takes absolutely nothing away from her story - especially in context of the millions of similar NDEs that don't quite fit the fairy-tale narrative. Actually, I think these kind of narratives reveal just as much if not much more than the template narratives organisations such as NNHE try and promote.

But each to their own :)
 
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Actually, I think these kind of narratives reveal just as much if not much more than the template narratives organisations such as NNHE try and promote.
My take is there is a need for some kind of emotional security in many people, and certainly in groups, where an attempt is made to fit any new and additional data within an existing paradigm. A result of this kind of retreat into the 'known' is a halting of progress.

Every once in a while, either as individuals, or in the context of a group, I think it is a good thing to discard any existing narrative and re-assemble the available data as best we can. This I would say is one of the most difficult tasks anyone may ever undertake. Many never even contemplate it, others recoil in horror. Perhaps the few that do are neither brave nor foolish, but simply do what must be done in response to their own challenging life circumstances. Though I might add that I don't see this as deterministic, but more likely as a pre-planned path prior to entering this current physical existence.
 
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Hi All,

I find this inordinately fascinating. Not so much the content and nature of the 2 "NDEs" posted in this thread, but the nature of the responses from forum members. Actually, I feel they reveal so much more than the content of the NDEs themselves, and tell a far more interesting story about the nature of human consciousness.....

Having spent a lifetime (decades) researching NDEs and similar "STEs", the surrounding conceptual paradigms etc, as well as, well, having them - and having absolutely no doubt that we have no viable current scientific explanations for a whole range of anomalous phenomena such as NDEs as well as being extremely open to the possibility we never will have, I am extremely far from being an "atheist" or "debunker" or "materialist" etc. However, I also happen to find the current trend of religous-like interpretations of NDE narratives to be dogmatic & ignorant of the wider history and conceptual framework of NDE & STEs. An excellent case in point is the new NDE video by David Sunfellow (I think was also linked in the NDE thread on this forum a few weeks ago). An astute and informed watcher would notice the subtle & creeping influence of dogmatic belief on the interpretations of the experiences, and more importantly how easy it would be to tear down the proposed theology that is being suggested - just way too many contradictions, too much contrary data. Only a smooth internal filtering process, or ignorance of the wider data, could hide this fact...

Hi Dave - You appear to have confused Krishna with Jesus! Hare Krishna, Hare Hare.

Hi Tim - haha :)

Hi Politicaljunkie - true dat!

Hi Jim - Thanks for looking into it further & providing more info. I intentionally posted a link from an (obviously) questionable source (posted at Daily Grail), to see what kind of responses it would get. However, just to correct you, she did actually see a "bright light", "gates", and was told "it's not your time, you're getting better, go back". Pretty typical NDE content.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbi...lucinating-Saint-Peter-approached-heaven.html

Having read and heard what must be thousands of NDE (and associated) reports (quite a few in person, btw, such as family and friends) going back thousands of years, I find absolutely nothing unique or unusual in Kerry's NDE. I can understand why people don't want to focus on it though, as it challenges the narrow yet comfortable fairy-tale narrative of the NDE which is so en vogue nowadays (never mind the completely different narratives going back hundreds of years!!). To ignore or debunk would be the go-to response!

I think it intellectually dishonest to either discount or laugh at Kerry's NDE. She WAS near death, she DID encounter a "bright light", and was told that old, some would say non-sensical, cliché "it's not your time yet, you have to go back". That she met Peter Andre, doesn't frame the experience in glowing terms, and was on medication takes absolutely nothing away from her story - especially in context of the millions of similar NDEs that don't quite fit the fairy-tale narrative. Actually, I think these kind of narratives reveal just as much if not much more than the template narratives organisations such as NNHE try and promote.

But each to their own :)
Manjit said > "I think it intellectually dishonest to either discount or laugh at Kerry's NDE."

I'm mostly interested in cardiac arrest NDE's, Manjit... then you know what the brain state is (Fenwick) . I don't think the girl had an NDE but if she did (and I can't know that one way or the other) then Typoz's thoughts on it would also be mine. A kind of muddling up ...

Have you noticed the current fashion for journalists to use the term "near death experience" as bait to pull in readers ? It's nearly (probably) as effective as pornography. I wish they wouldn't but it's getting worse.

Here are two serious NDE's from people who were close to death.

http://www.upnorthlive.com/news/story.aspx?id=1206865#.VVx3ZbnbLGg
 
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