Trump Consciousness

My take on "capitalism has a proven record of raising the living standards of the most, for the most throughout its history" is that it doesn't really take into account the kind of socialist protections seen in the Eurpoean countries - American allies. I think we're generally lumping them in under the umbrella of capitalism - not caricaturing them as being totalitarian Marxist states - and Sanders/Warren are only advocating for similar policies to be instituted here in the US.

Another thought that comes to mind is that, since the onset of the industrial revolution, our capitalist societies have benefited from the availability of cheap fossil fuels which powered the engines of their industries and their economies. Those cheap fuels are strongly on the wane. Hence, why we continue to war against countries who have those resources in greater availability. We have no similarly cheap and ubiquitous fuels to power our lifestyles now, which I think helps to explain why the boomer generation enjoyed a higher quality of life than the generations that have come since that time. Back then a (white) kid could work at Dairy Queen, save some money, and pay his or her way through college, buy their own car, and travel Europe as a youth - and then pat themselves on the back for being a very good boy or girl. Nobody has that experience anymore.

And, back to the NDE, as it focuses as it does on the collective over the individual - why are we moving back toward a feudalist style of government without barely a squeak of protest from the so-called "patriots" of this country - more like redcoats and loyalists for the corporatist oligarchs. Why is plutocracy favored by the right over a social democracy? The latter is much more a government by and for the people than Trump/Bloomberg plutocratic governance. We're moving in a frightening direction with only the very wealthy becoming the leaders we get to choose from. How did it go from Abe Lincoln in a backwoods shack to what we've got going on now? This is very hierarchical (i.e., not the NDE collectivist morality) in nature. Is the world we live in someone else's world (i.e., the rich) and the rest of us just get to live here and pay rent? I don't think so. I also don't think the NDE says so - in fact quite the opposite.

Anyway, the spirit in which I opened up the question here is, what sort of praxis do we derive from these NDE values? Things are a mess! I want to get some traction!

I am prepared with much of my response but I need to ask you this question before I can complete it...

Do you "believe" in life after death of the physical body? That "you" continue? If so, what factors convince you of this?

It's not a trick question and to be fair, I will reveal that I "believe" in life after death of the physical body.
 
Hi Sam,

I'll answer your questions though I'm not sure that I'll be engaging in much further conversation on these political topics for a couple reasons:

1. Doesn't look like Bernie (and especially not Warren) is a contender for much longer. So, this is now, for me, a moot point.
2. I think I've sent myself into more hypertensive crises in the last couple of days than I have over the course of my entire lifetime over this political stuff. I've been rooting for Bernie since 2015. I think his policies are best. I think they'd help me out far, far, far, far more than anyone else's. But, hey, you lose some, you lose some more.
3. As much as a part of me wants to get entrenched, pull out all the stops, and build lengthy arguments full of data points for why policies like Bernie's are necessary, I recognize I'm mostly talking to myself. I've already alienated myself from the few friends I still have left on FB by doing this.
4. I just don't have influence over events taking place so far out from my own immediate environment.
5. Because the sense of not having influence over our world and our fate is inherently damaging to the psyche, it's best to pull back, regroup, and refocus on the things I can actually have an influence over and spend my time and energy there.
6. It was probably foolish of me to believe that anyone could do anything about the prevailing sociopolitical influences. "I fought the law and the law won," after all. Regular people are made to get the shaft. Peasants don't get to eat at the aristocrat table. Ours is the fast food window, heart attacks, and bodies donated to science to be blown up by bombs because funerals are expensive (goddamit, I'm angry).

So, with that aside:

Yes, I "believe" in life after death of the physical body. I'm not sure how long "I" continue afterward - I'm leaning toward some sort of dissolution of my current ego after a time, only for a new sense of "I" to be reformed. Couple reasons I believe this - some personal experiences and a lot of reading the NDE/Mediumship/SPR material and having been convinced that there's a lot going on there. I've had a very strong reincarnation memory experience (I was dirt poor in it, btw, not some glamorous person); I've had an OBE/NDE-like experience where I became strongly convinced we can exist apart from the physical body. These and other experiences were very impactful.

So, that's it, really. I'm going to do what I can to get off this political kick now. It's bad for me. It's harming me and my relationships. It's making me feel terrible. I've got to let it go.
 
Thank you Philemon for the excellent post.

I must at least share that I was betting that the answer you gave to my question would be as you stated.

I suspected this because what you said in many of your posts seemed so much like my own views and based on experiences that you had which seemed so much like my own experiences. But I wanted you to write the words so I could then take the discussion to the next level.

But now, I can't because of the first part of your post which I have only one choice but to honor. I understand.
 
I just realized how Bloomberg did the sufferers of TDS a great favor. He made it abundantly clear that spending $500 Million Dollars couldn't get him a win in a single state.

So the "Facebook Ad buys" of the Russians was less than 0.1% of what Bloomberg spent.

Bye-bye "Russian meddling" made a bit of difference. The first step towards healing is to divest oneself of their delusions.
 
When "Biden" wins the democratic nomination, the 2020 election will be Trump vs "The Deep State" because "Joe Biden" is a straw man, not a living/independently thinking/operational human being.

FUN!
 
Would love to see the roster of billionaires and the designation of which are part of the "Deep State" and which are not.
 
When "Biden" wins the democratic nomination, the 2020 election will be Trump vs "The Deep State" because "Joe Biden" is a straw man, not a living/independently thinking/operational human being.

FUN!
It would be truly terrible to get Biden as POTUS - he is clearly not up to the job, and was probably corrupt before he became somewhat senile! Yes the Deep State folk would run him like a puppet.

Fortunately, I think President Trump is very familiar with the antics of the Deep State, and he will see off Biden.

David
 
Would love to see the roster of billionaires and the designation of which are part of the "Deep State" and which are not.
I'd love to see exposed the network of people - presumably in the CIA - who organised those fake gas attacks in Syria! The gas attacks that were always blamed on Assad's forces when he was already winning the battle in a province and didn't need to use gas. How many kids did they decide to kill and maim to make enough emotional impact. Anything to get the US back into the war on a big scale.

I have heard rumours that the UK was involved in this horrible business as well - and if we are, I'd like to see that come out too.

David
 
I think I've sent myself into more hypertensive crises in the last couple of days than I have over the course of my entire lifetime over this political stuff.
That is always a danger with intense internet discussions. It is all too easy to wake in the night working out the next post that will silence all opposition, and never does - LOL!

Seriously, if you feel like that, why not take a break from this thread - which will run and run until November and probably beyond - and explore the simulation hypothesis instead.

David
 
I don't know how many of you follow the fate of the Wiki Leaks founder Julian Assange. Most news outlets stay very quiet about this, but Fox News' Tucker Carlson speaks up:

https://www.foxnews.com/media/pink-...dard-for-wikileaks-assange-major-news-outlets

Whether you are pro-Trump or anti-Trump, this case should concern you.

Of course WikiLeaks is famous for publicising leaked emails from the DNC, that helped to show Hillary Clinton in a more realistic light, and probably helped to lose her the election. Back in 2009, they also published a batch of emails between climate change scientists that sowed the seeds of doubt in many people around the world.

https://wikileaks.org/

David
 
So how is it we know where Trump stands in regard to this deep state; friend or foe?

Well, I strive not to play the "we" game and so I am happy to share my current assumptions but would never suggest this is how others should assess things. In addition, I don't do the "its either this or that" game because of the vast depth of the grey area in between.

So here's the shortest answer I can give.

Trump did not understand the deep embeddedness of the "The Club" as I call it.

That which has become known as "the Deep State" is just a branch of the Club when viewed under the definition I assign to the term. For me, the Deep State is made up of of un-elected bureaucrats within government. Some of these un-elected bureacrats are "Club material" (ie. prospects) or "Club members" and some are identified as unlikely recruits. Those who "get it," get into the Club. There are other Club members (or Club material) that may enter into a role as an un-elected bureacrat for a stint then rotate out into other sectors (known as the revolving door). What "political flag" they waive and the related political positions of either always stand secondary to the actions they take (based on their empowerment and position). Their actions are dictated by the leaders of the day of The Club.

I believe Trump knew, or at least strongly suspected the existence of The Club. But I strongly believe he had no idea the depth of power and penetration of the Club in every sector of the global management systems. I believe he learned fast and that is why he is still president today. If he had not, he would have provided his own sword by which he would have been destroyed. And the narrative would have been craftily created to appear he had fallen on his own sword, thus his fault, not the Club's fault or the nearer "actor," the Deep State.

Now I can understand how folks would expand the definition of Deep State to include current elected officials that appear to facilitate the goals of the Club. I can understand how "retired" former un-elected bureaucratic officials could be included in the definition. I can understand how political appointees that require "confirmation" could be included in the definition, but I see all these actually playing their roles as members of the Club.

I believe Trump got a very quick education as to the Club and the Deep State, what they are, who are confirmed Club members and who are likely suspects as Club members. He can fire an attorney general perhaps, but he can't fire 93 US Attorneys can he? Well, yes he can. Clinton fired all 93 on the same day in March 1993. Trump only fired 46 and those were Obama appointees. Clinton understood. Trump only saw it through the lens of Democrat / Republican.

Back to Trump... he is President today because he got "the clues" and started becoming a President that stayed "on the road" well enough as President and the Club has allowed him to remain.

And now, for "the road" and "the lanes." Picture this. There is a big circle. You start at the center of the circle and the Club wants you to end up within a range of points somewhere on the circumference of that circle. That range is a very small portion of the total circumference of that circle. Trump has all the freedom he wants to drive the bus in either the left lane or the right lane as long as he stays on the road. Trump tends to swerve a bit, usually to the right and sometimes hard right and sometimes he has some wheels on the shoulder but so far he has managed to keep the bus rolling without flying off the road.

Will he get re-elected? The Club wants to make sure they have the most control possible within the reality of the experiment where "they" gave the power to the people to elect their president and representatives, etc. A good experiment if you think you can always own both sides and have the ability to successfully influence elections because the people are deluded into thinking its up to them.

The Club may not have been very happy with Trump for jumping into their system and showing the vulnerability of that system by winning. But knowing the Club as I do, they seize opportunities these unexpected situations present to enact damage control measures whereby once again the Club regains the upper hand. IMO it took about 6 months for Trump to "get it."

So if I have it about right and if I have Trump profiled about right, I believe Trump has always been a quick learner and yet (like us all to varying degrees, certainly myself) Trump can be his own worst enemy. And so the real battle is, can Trump control and contain Trump well enough and can the Club agree that they have Trump well enough under control to allow him another 4 years.

Now the Club, you understand, thinks decades out... so they are playing this out from that perspective. I had always believed the Club prefer willing hierarchical structures where each level happily plays their role and things stay relatively under control. In fact, "controlled wars" is a part of that dynamic. Remember, it was Republicans that brought us FISA and it was Republicans that brought us the Patriot Act provisions of FISA. It was Deep State and active Club members in parallel roles that got Kennedy dealt with and this was pretty heavily Republican oriented folks. So I put my money on this: that the Club prefers that type of control system over the other options. Understand, Obama was nothing like the lefties of today. And Hillary was disguised as a Democrat just like Bill was (Bill's NAFTA was as Republican of a "trade deal" as you could ever imagine and much of his record reflects a center right administration).

That summerizes much of my current view. It may be that they will spin COVID-19 well enough to prevent his re-election or maybe it turns out to be far less a big deal and he is able to turn that into political points, especially when the stock market makes a solid move towards recovery. Regardless, it will all be up to the Club and they know they'll regain far more control with Biden, but I am unsure if they feel they need to go that way in when they consider their plan that spans several decades out.
 
Thanks Sam. Who's in The Club and how does one gain membership?

I wouldn't be able to confirm who is "in" The Club. Understand, what you asked me was where Trump stands (friend or foe) with regards to The Deep State and so I had to frame my answer by what I can only infer exists and what the difference is between The Deep State (as I understand it) and what may be above it.

I am not the first to suggest this "thing." I may be the first to call it "The Club" but I doubt it.

The main reason why I place the existence of The Club into my set of operational assumptions is because when I look at this whacky world and I consider my own sense of personal compassion and empathy as "something" which balances out a more selfish and emotionally insulated operational mode, I get a sense of personal limitation as to how far I can actually go when I can't do "this" or "that" no matter what. Yet clearly, some folks running around on this planet can do things that exceed my personal limits. And so I admit to myself that there are, indeed, folks running around here who can do some incredibly horrendous things.

And in light of that, I cannot imagine they would not seek ways to a.) protect themselves and b.) create an environment which perpetually produces opportunities to satisfy their desires and c.) realize the most successful way to achieve a.) and b.) is to identify others of similar disposition and organize.

Once the management structure is in place... a structure that ensures against damage from potential rogues that might emerge from within so they cannot take down the structure. There would be a continued refinement process of management protocols to better ensure an everlasting a.) and b.).

There's only one issue and that is "death" of the physical body. Some around here are aware of some of the more "ancient" psycho-religio paradigms whereby folks not only reincarnate, but reincarnate within their own family lines. So, if recruits were to "buy into" that idea by buying into a potential underground religion or two that "believes in such," whether the belief is possible or not isn't so important. What is important is their buy in... their belief, because once they "buy in" then they'll also buy into implementing measures to ensure the favorable positions of their progeny are secured.

Most of the "civilized world" has laws whereby assets are able to be transferred to their family survivors where those assets can be greatly protected (especially with wise planning / tax planning). I cannot imagine the laws that facilitate such are not laws created by those "in their pocket" and who are either "one foot into The Club" or foolish wanna be's who believe they can get in but will never break through.

Everything about this world, how it seems to be run, who seems to be set up to benefit and what seems to be happening suggests to me that my imaginations have a reasonable chance of significant accuracy.

Read Brave New World and (of course) 1984 and Animal Farm... then Carroll Quigley's Tragedy and Hope and you'll have the background to begin to "see" it's all mapped out as we rush towards trans-humanism, real AI and the ability to create simulated worlds and the technology to insert the actual conscious agent (entity) into the avatar.

Kansas has gone bye-bye
 
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