Mod+ UPCOMING INTERVIEW: RICK ARCHER SCIENCE AND NONDUALITY

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  1. Alex

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    more question for Rick:
    - what is this enlightenment community all about?
    - what is it telling us about culture? science? religion? big picture questions?
    - how do we know what we know?
    - does experience get in the way of gnosis/knowing?
    - are some "enlightened" people dogmatic? (ok... why are they :))
     
  3. Michael Duggan

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    Great idea. In addition to the above questions, a run down of the conference itself, including presentations from Neil Theise, Julia Mossbridge, and Rudi Tanzi. The ramifications of their ideas for revolutionary science breakthroughs. Personally, I loved the idea of the psi crowd closely mixing with the other non duality folks.
     
  4. Michael Larkin

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    A bit cocksure at times. They often seem to think they've got to the ultimate, but I suspect it's just a particular, lingering flavour of experience and a beginning. To be fair, I think some of them come to realise this, and IIRC what he has said in the past, Rick Archer is aware of this.
     
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    I'm really looking forward to this interview and finding out more about 'Enlightenment', I have been drawn towards this topic in recent months.
    Thanks for this Alex and Rick.
     
  6. My question would be what makes anyone think a particular "inner-science" is an accurate picture of reality?

    It seems to me that from our perspective we hit limits of analysis where we can conclude materialism is almost certainly false, and leaping from those limits into whatever gnosis a person got while meditating (or OBE-ing, or tripping on drugs, or following Dennet's intuition training to see consciousness is an illusion) would have to be suspect.

    Now I think it's fine for people to take whatever reality gamble they want, so long as they aren't hurting anybody, but it seems one has to acknowledge they are gambling. And that takes a bit of hot air out of any kind of "enlightenment".
     
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    thx all. just completed the interview yesterday. it hit some of these but not all.
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    I disagree. Strongly. That's in much the same vein as stating that " every conclusion drawn insight claimed while meditating is correct." Sweeping generalizations, whether yay or nay, are almost always inaccurate and not that helpful.

    As I see it the question is how to know which conclusions are correct - especially in areas where intellect isn't the most suitable tool.
     
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  9. That's probably a better way of wording it, though I guess I personally can't fathom an answer that wouldn't be personal in some way. I am partial to the idea that the Truth (if there is such a thing) can manifest itself in different - perhaps wildly different - ways from our perspective.
     
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    I'd say that isn't so much idea as actuality. :) The details of the fundamentals are always "distorted" to some degree or the other by the individual's interaction with them.
     
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    As a long time avid Skeptiko listener I look forward to Alex's interview with Rick Archer.

    I have had a long time interest in non-duality and Zen meditation practice. I recommend Phillip Kapleau's "Three Pillars of Zen" and the enlightenment experiences related by meditation students at the end of this fascinating book. This leads me to Alex's question about whether experience gets in the way of gnosis/knowing. I hesitate to do this as this may not clarify anything. There is a term in Zen - namely Kensho which refers to a moment of direct experience of reality (ken- "seeing", sho- "nature, essence"). The term refers specifically to an initial insight that then becomes an impetus for further meditation. Kensho is described most essentially as the realisation of the indivisibility of observer and observed, of experiencer and experienced (Non-duality). This can happen in a flash that has a visceral physical impact that is more akin to a feeling than conceptual knowing, a body-mind shock that may or may not last depending on further meditation or the depth of the initial experience and is marked by a buoyant feeling of well being.

    And inevitably all this sounds very abstract and conceptual. The Kensho experiences related in the Three Pillars of Zen are anything but however and my own shallow experience - a jolting, electrifying feeling that the place I was looking at (the wall in front of me) was the same place as the place I was looking from - was very concrete and I am reminded of the words of Wei Wu Wei - "Never forget. What you are looking for is what is looking."
     
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    Hi Luke... thx for this great story... and a great quote!

    I've completed the interview with Rick... showcasing a healthy diversity of opinion among two people with a very similar worldviews :) BTW I think Rick and BATGAP are awesome.
     
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    Fair play: I strongly disagree with him about AGW, but some of his shows are outstanding.
     
  14. I would need more background info to answer these questions.

    Different traditions define enlightenment differently. What I am familiar with is Buddhism in which the original word meaning "awakening" is often mistranslated into English as "enlightenment". There is a very specific definition of what awakening means but it can only be understood by experiencing it. All the Buddhist writings describing different states are not at all helpful in attaining them or understanding them. Those writing are helpful allowing one to recognize when one has experienced a state at which point one understands it.

    I described my own experience of kensho here:
    https://sites.google.com/site/chs4o8pt/mystical_experiences#mystical_kensho

    Some related neuroscience suggesting that the sense of self is subjective, it is created in the brain.
    http://ncu9nc.blogspot.com/2012/05/experience-of-oneness.html
    More of my experiences have been described here:
    https://sites.google.com/site/chs4o8pt/mystical_experiences
     
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    Thanks Alex. I really love what you are doing. Particularly enjoyed your recent interviews with Bernardo Kastrup and Peter Russell. Am reading Materialism is Baloney at the moment and Russell's presentation on the primacy of consciousness is a hoot..
    The Primacy of Consciousness - Peter Russell - Full Version ...
     
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  16. Watched the first 9:42 but have to take a break. So far I agree with a lot of what he said. However, there is a way to distinguish some humans from zombies, some humans will have ESP, zombies won't.

    From my blog, ESP is not produced by the brain: http://ncu9nc.blogspot.com/2014/04/near-death-experiences-and-afterlife.html#facts_esp

    From my web site, Alan Turing felt lack of ESP would cause a computer to fail a Turing test: https://sites.google.com/site/chs4o8pt/eminent_researchers#researchers_turing


    I totally agree about Descartes' Cogito ergo sum:
    https://sites.google.com/site/chs4o8pt/skeptical_fallacies#skeptical_fallacies_illusion

    http://ncu9nc.blogspot.com/2013/08/consciousness-cannot-be-emergent.html

    More here: http://ncu9nc.blogspot.com/2012/08/the-materialist-explanation-of.html
     
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