Pam Popper, Fight for Health Rights |526|

When I wear a shirt and shoes?
No.
When you wear a mask outside on a sunny day in open air, which will confuse any thinking child to assume there's danger outside when there is not.
But you don't really care about children or their future. You care about not having to think.
 
No.
When you wear a mask outside on a sunny day in open air, which will confuse any thinking child to assume there's danger outside when there is not.

Drama queen much? I doubt a child will think much about it. Or if they do, they'll think it's just the same thing I described with masks, shirts and shoes. Why bother taking it off when going from one place to the next, especially when you're supposed to touch it as little as possible?
 
Just listened to this episode for the second time. Great work. I have a feeling I will revisit it again more than once in the future.

The only piece of the whole episode I would push back on is Dr. Pam classifying the mask-in-the-car people as "stupid beyond comprehension".
I think the word "oblivious" would be better than the word stupid.
adjective
1. not aware of or not concerned about what is happening around one.

I believe the reason the plandemic has been so successful is because a large percent of people in the first world have it so good, that they exist in a virtual Disneyland. And to snap them out of Disneyland-mode, their car or their house better be on fire. Any thing less demanding (change of pronouns, higher taxes for climate change, a jab, oversea wars, oversea organ harvesting, etc) within their immediate actionable necessity must be explained away if at all possible.

So, I don't think they're stupid. They're asleep, or entranced, or entertained.

I remember being asleep after 9/11 and thinking I'm proud to be an American and confident that we're gonna go gett'em!

I can't blame them.
To be awake right now, is to realize that this battle isn't won until ALL of the globalists are stopped, and I haven't yet heart anyone lay out that plan.
 
If you're serious about waking everyone up, then you need to drop the silliness of "not taking your mask off in the car or as soon as you step outside is "stupid beyond comprehension" or "oblivious"". As soon as you say something dumb like that, people will tune you out. It makes you look like a Flat Earther.

If you want to whip up outrage, you need to start with something that a normal person would find outrageous.
 
If you're serious about waking everyone up, then you need to drop the silliness of "not taking your mask off in the car or as soon as you step outside is "stupid beyond comprehension" or "oblivious"". As soon as you say something dumb like that, people will tune you out. It makes you look like a Flat Earther.

If you want to whip up outrage, you need to start with something that a normal person would find outrageous.
Personally, I don't intend to evangelize, because (again, personally) I believe we all (good & evil) are children of a loving creator capable forgiving the evilest of the evil, regardless of any message I can deliver.

My concern with You is that you employ a very specific style of Trolling designed to drain the energy of your opponent. Meanwhile, you're HERE, which means you truly seek truth. Therefore, I must assume you have deep resentment or scars from the people who are currently cheering the fight against Totalitarian Globalism.
My argument with You is only to insist that
-I understand.
-Your position is reasonable.
-Your intelligence would be a much better service to humanity in the pursuit of challenging the Totalitarian Globalists, than it is in dunking on those who are struggling against Totalitarian Globalists.
-Everyone is in the process of waking up. So nobody is "better" for waking up sooner.
 
Personally, I don't intend to evangelize...

Sorry, my mistake.

My concern with You is that you employ a very specific style of Trolling designed to drain the energy of your opponent.

No, I'm not a troll, nor is anything I do "designed". I'm am ordinary person, kind of a math/science geek, who is also interested in Parapsychology.

Meanwhile, you're HERE, which means you truly seek truth.

I have been here long enough to realize that there is no truth to be found here. I'm not interested in the variety of Conspiracy Theories/Totalitarian Globalism/NWO/Flat Earth stories that some people live by here, except in a fascination with a car wreck kind of way. I like to discuss science stuff that comes up, or to offer a non-CT/FE perspective (especially when someone can only see Evil in trivial actions). Deep down, I'm waiting for the forum to break out in discussion about scientific investigations of unusual personal experiences. Talk about delusional, right? :)
 
Make of this what you will. I don’t think I have an opinion on it at the moment but it is strange. It’s a data point.

I’ve been at work on a big floating thingy for the past couple months. I recently contracted the shingles. Rash was not so painful but the headaches were unreal. I was vomiting constantly from the pain alone. I would not wish on my worst enemy. I had to go ashore to hospital in the US to check it wasn’t meningitis, which it wasn’t after a CT scan and the opinion of the shore doctor considering my lack of other symptoms.

But the doctors onboard told me that they had been tracking the trends, and apparently according to them, some of the vaccines can reactivate dormant viruses and they believe that this is how I got the shingles. I’ve had chicken pox as a child.

They didn’t seem surprised that I had developed shingles. They definitely attributed it to the vaccines and didn’t seem pleased about that. They were telling me that we don’t know what the long term effects of this will be.
When it comes to the correlation/causation argument, they basically told me if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck…..

Now do I believe them? I have no idea. I have medical professionals with years of experience telling me this. And The whole issue is now so confused and contrived that it’s seemingly impossible to figure out what is shit and what is not shit.

I’m Gonna keep an open mind however. I got the vaccine two months ago so they said it was within the trends that they have seen.
 
Also going to add that I generally do not get sick at all. I can count on one hand the amount of times I’ve had flu in my life. In the past 10 years I must have had the cold about 4/5 times max.
 
Make of this what you will. I don’t think I have an opinion on it at the moment but it is strange. It’s a data point.

I’ve been at work on a big floating thingy for the past couple months. I recently contracted the shingles. Rash was not so painful but the headaches were unreal. I was vomiting constantly from the pain alone. I would not wish on my worst enemy. I had to go ashore to hospital in the US to check it wasn’t meningitis, which it wasn’t after a CT scan and the opinion of the shore doctor considering my lack of other symptoms.

But the doctors onboard told me that they had been tracking the trends, and apparently according to them, some of the vaccines can reactivate dormant viruses and they believe that this is how I got the shingles. I’ve had chicken pox as a child.

They didn’t seem surprised that I had developed shingles. They definitely attributed it to the vaccines and didn’t seem pleased about that. They were telling me that we don’t know what the long term effects of this will be.
When it comes to the correlation/causation argument, they basically told me if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck…..

Now do I believe them? I have no idea. I have medical professionals with years of experience telling me this. And The whole issue is now so confused and contrived that it’s seemingly impossible to figure out what is shit and what is not shit.

I’m Gonna keep an open mind however. I got the vaccine two months ago so they said it was within the trends that they have seen.
Yep, didn't go through proper protocols or test period. Long term effects will keep showing up.
Y'all are the experiment! Donated your body to science! How DARING. Like a monkey getting launched into space.
Don't worry, I think we'll be repairing the damage once enough get over the hump and stop trusting or believing in the System. Then we'll do AMAZING things.
 
Make of this what you will. I don’t think I have an opinion on it at the moment but it is strange. It’s a data point.

I’ve been at work on a big floating thingy for the past couple months. I recently contracted the shingles. Rash was not so painful but the headaches were unreal. I was vomiting constantly from the pain alone. I would not wish on my worst enemy. I had to go ashore to hospital in the US to check it wasn’t meningitis, which it wasn’t after a CT scan and the opinion of the shore doctor considering my lack of other symptoms.

But the doctors onboard told me that they had been tracking the trends, and apparently according to them, some of the vaccines can reactivate dormant viruses and they believe that this is how I got the shingles. I’ve had chicken pox as a child.

They didn’t seem surprised that I had developed shingles. They definitely attributed it to the vaccines and didn’t seem pleased about that. They were telling me that we don’t know what the long term effects of this will be.
When it comes to the correlation/causation argument, they basically told me if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck…..

Now do I believe them? I have no idea. I have medical professionals with years of experience telling me this. And The whole issue is now so confused and contrived that it’s seemingly impossible to figure out what is shit and what is not shit.

I’m Gonna keep an open mind however. I got the vaccine two months ago so they said it was within the trends that they have seen.
It may be a good example of the "post hoc ergo propter hoc" fallacy. Two months ago seems unrelated - this article implies that it's a non-specific thing that can happen more commonly if you get sick/stressed with something else, but can also happen if you have a moderate reaction to any vaccine acutely. But that happens at the time, not two months later.

https://www.healthline.com/health/adult-vaccines/shingles-and-covid#is-there-a-connection
 
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It may be a good example of the "post hoc ergo propter hoc" fallacy.
I mean maybe EllisR, yes.

But in real life it doesn’t really mean much to hear that it may be a fallacy when you know you have a good immune system, not prone to getting ill, and within months of receiving your vaccine, you develop shingles and have pain that you never thought possible in your head that it makes you vomit and you get sent to hospital.You can’t sleep you can’t move and you would rather someone pull the trigger lol.


I’m also saying the above based on what I was told by doctors onboard at my work. If they are skeptical, then it probably moves me into leaning more skeptical again, based on their expertise.

I don’t know if we will ever get a substantive qualitative analysis that can really determine for sure what injuries were caused by the vaccines. I think the number of persons vaccinated are so large and incomprehensible that it’s impossible to chalk it down to “X causes/increase chances of Y”. Maybe I’m wrong on that. It just seems like there is no way to tell now.
 
Also as another data point, someone very close to me recently developed(or the signs became visible) cancer a month or so after getting the vaccine, a few months ago. It’s also why I’ve been very quiet on the forums here and at PsienceQuest. They are young (30’s) and are going through treatment at the moment. Coincidence?

My grandmother also had a heart attack after getting the vaccine earlier this year. Coincidence?

and yes yes I know I can hear everyone say “but correlation isn’t causation” etc etc. But to have so many shitty things happen to people shortly after their vaccine makes me pretty skeptical, not going to lie.

Still, I keep an open mind. Maybe it’s just really crappy coincidence. And that’s just life eh.
 
I mean maybe EllisR, yes.

But in real life it doesn’t really mean much to hear that it may be a fallacy when you know you have a good immune system, not prone to getting ill, and within months of receiving your vaccine, you develop shingles and have pain that you never thought possible in your head that it makes you vomit and you get sent to hospital.You can’t sleep you can’t move and you would rather someone pull the trigger lol.


I’m also saying the above based on what I was told by doctors onboard at my work. If they are skeptical, then it probably moves me into leaning more skeptical again, based on their expertise.

I don’t know if we will ever get a substantive qualitative analysis that can really determine for sure what injuries were caused by the vaccines. I think the number of persons vaccinated are so large and incomprehensible that it’s impossible to chalk it down to “X causes/increase chances of Y”. Maybe I’m wrong on that. It just seems like there is no way to tell now.
I would think it would be the opposite - there are so many people vaccinated, that we can see if there are increased rates of even rare illnesses or conditions.
 
Also as another data point, someone very close to me recently developed cancer a month or so after getting the vaccine, a few months ago. It’s also why I’ve been very quiet on the forums here and at PsienceQuest. They are young (30’s) and are going through treatment at the moment. Coincidence?

My grandmother also had a heart attack after getting the vaccine earlier this year. Coincidence?

and yes yes I know I can hear everyone say “but correlation isn’t causation” etc etc. But to have so many shitty things happen to people shortly after their vaccine makes me pretty skeptical, not going to lie.

Still, I keep an open mind. Maybe it’s just really crappy coincidence. And that’s just life eh.
Well, the vaccine just protects against COVID. There's no reason to think that it will magically also prevent all the heart attacks, cancers, strokes, etc. that occur every year. If people stopped getting cancer or having heart attacks after getting the vaccine, that would be pretty weird (and kinda suspicious, if you ask me).
 
Also as another data point, someone very close to me recently developed(or the signs became visible) cancer a month or so after getting the vaccine, a few months ago. It’s also why I’ve been very quiet on the forums here and at PsienceQuest. They are young (30’s) and are going through treatment at the moment. Coincidence?

My grandmother also had a heart attack after getting the vaccine earlier this year. Coincidence?

and yes yes I know I can hear everyone say “but correlation isn’t causation” etc etc. But to have so many shitty things happen to people shortly after their vaccine makes me pretty skeptical, not going to lie.

Still, I keep an open mind. Maybe it’s just really crappy coincidence. And that’s just life eh.
It seems that some immune systems view an invading spike protein as an invading spike protein regardless of source (vaccine or covid) and the bad reaction is the same. Brain bleeds, cardiac issues, clotting, spontaneous abortions etc are becoming known adverse reactions. We are watching trends in these health events. A little early to conclude anything, but it is looking to me that in a few months we will be able to declare, definitively, that the data proves the vaccine causes these events in a materially (well beyond simple statistical) significant rate.
 
It seems that some immune systems view an invading spike protein as an invading spike protein regardless of source (vaccine or covid) and the bad reaction is the same. Brain bleeds, cardiac issues, clotting, spontaneous abortions etc are becoming known adverse reactions. We are watching trends in these health events. A little early to conclude anything, but it is looking to me that in a few months we will be able to declare, definitively, that the data proves the vaccine causes these events in a materially (well beyond simple statistical) significant rate.


Honestly Eric, I would not be surprised.

I just can’t shake the feeling that there is something not quite right going on here. It’s also not just me. Medical professionals have basically told me that the trends are off.

I await the results of the data with interest ;;/?
 
Honestly Eric, I would not be surprised.

I just can’t shake the feeling that there is something not quite right going on here. It’s also not just me. Medical professionals have basically told me that the trends are off.

I await the results of the data with interest ;;/?
I know medical professionals that are strongly against the vaccine and I know some that aren't certain enough one way or the other to recommend it, leaving it up to the individual to decide.

Heck, one of the inventors of the vaccine methodology says you'd be crazy to take it. Of course Ellis knows better than that guy ;-)
 
It seems that some immune systems view an invading spike protein as an invading spike protein regardless of source (vaccine or covid) and the bad reaction is the same. Brain bleeds, cardiac issues, clotting, spontaneous abortions etc are becoming known adverse reactions. We are watching trends in these health events. A little early to conclude anything, but it is looking to me that in a few months we will be able to declare, definitively, that the data proves the vaccine causes these events in a materially (well beyond simple statistical) significant rate.
Yes, that is going to be more useful. The excess deaths site at the CDC I have referenced is actually a real time early-warning system comparing rates for everything that gets reported to the CDC (deaths, reportable diseases, etc.) to historical trends. So this is ongoing, rather than in a few months from now. But other organizations, like health insurance providers, and then worldwide other health system, are actively looking for changes. So it's not like there aren't ways to get decent information about these concerns.
 
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