="David Bailey, post: 64503, member: 37"]Let me help you out - I think this is what you wanted to link to:
Yeah, indeed , the video , not the forum.
In a way, that makes exactly the point - that the mind has far more power over the body than has been assumed by science. Clearly there is a problem about how to exploit that fact. If placebo surgery became common, it would lose its effect, and be relatively expensive
Well, no wonder that science has been underestimating , so to speak, the power of the human mind over the body ,since science has been materialist ,and hence has been assuming that the mind is just brain activity or the product of the brain without any causal effects on matter , brain or body : we are our brains thus , according to materialist science : our brains do all the work , in a determined or automatic way, pretty much like computers do : we are just hardware run by software.
This classical mechanical deterministic computer-like metaphor regarding life in general is obviously false, which means that materialist science is still stuck within the classical mechanical deterministic Newtonian world view upon which materialism was built , ironically and paradoxically enough , despite the fact that classical physics has been superseded by QM ,and despite the fact that classical physics is approximately correct and fundamentally false thus, and hence reductionist materialism is also false.
Materialist science has even been trying to explain (away) the placebo effect ,for example, via physiological explanations (away) , in the sense that placebo effect is just the work of the autonomic nervous system , for example.
But then again , one can even learn how to take control of the autonomic brain itself via biofeedback training , for example.
Materialists then would argue that even the effects of biofeedback training can be explained physiologically , without resorting to any "mystical " notion of the mind.
The same goes for psi phenomena , for example : materialists would try to come up with physiological or psychological explanations (away ) of NDE , out of body experiences, telepathy , ....without much success thus.
Furthermore, the pharmaceutical industry would go bankrupt ,if one would acknowledge the healing power of the human mind and its primacy over the body.
science is not business and politics + ideology free.
Now ask yourself, has medical science wrongly understood knee joints and how to fix them for so long? Maybe it has, but that doesn't say that much for science, does it! Many of us are conscious of the triumphs of science, and yet feel it has over-reached itself, and may be doing considerable harm in a variety of ways.
Sure.Take the pharmaceutical industry , for example : that global billion dollars business has an obvious interest in reducing man to just physics and chemistry , for obvious reasons.
Materialist science has even been delivering a highly distorted version of reality , including human nature , the mind and so on, despite its enormous successes at the level of matter at least.
All that cannot but have consequences for us all .
Orthodox science believes that the mind (i.e. consciousness) is somehow created by the brain, but this is by no means proven (!!), and obviously has relevance to the interpretation of the videos you linked to. If the brain does not create the mind, but merely links to it, then that opens a whole variety of possibilities:
1) The mind can somehow directly affect the physical - even mechanical - working of the knee joint!
2) Maybe other minds - such as that of an alternative therapist - can achieve something similar.
3) How much of medical science only works because people believe it should?
I have already mentioned in 1 of my earlier posts that materialism is certainly false , so i agree with you indeed.
Nobody who debates here needs to abandon their knowledge of science, but simply open their minds a little to some remarkable possibilities.
Exactly, but open -mindedness is no synonymous of putting healthy skepticism on hold either , let alone that open-mindedness would mean that one has to abandon the falsification criterion in science.Take care.