Andy Rouse, Deep Share Swapcast |554|

[Alex]

Andy Rouse, Deep Share Swapcast |554|
by Alex Tsakiris | May 31 | Skepticism
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Andy Rouse has created a podcast that doesn’t shy away from tough discussions.

 

[Robbedigital]

Thoroughly enjoyed this episode and looking forward to more in the future.
Nothing hit me as controversial related to NDEs.
That said..
Regardless of the Flat Earth Psy-op acting as a thorn in Alex’s side, I think we all know there’s something to the Psy-op where the magnitude of it doesn’t match the hype. And I think listening to this episode helps me visualize the crux and I think I can paint the picture.

“Flat Earth” Psy-op Analogy Time..

John Doe is married to his wife 10 years and for 1 year has had secret sex encounters with men at his local gym.
As the encounters become more time consuming and involved, John realizes his excuses are gradually coming up short with loose ends. However John has no intention on decreasing his escapades.
So John decides to create a trail of semi-harmless flirting emails with a woman at work saying things like “stop being cute”, and “really enjoyed our mini get-away”. Then John conveniently starts leaving trails of these emails where his wife can find them. And when she does, he digs in fully: “Baby, it’s nothing, we’re not even flirting!” Etc…. And John continues to generate this fake trail in order that the wife never has energy or attention to care about what’s happening at the gym.

In this analogy:
-John Doe represents NASA and pop science.
-Johns wife represents conspiracy theorists.
-The gym-escapades represent all the fake material NASA and pop science puts out.
-The office flirting gimmick represents Flat Earth dis-info/narrative.

Let me know if this has any holes in it.

 

[Silence]

Let me know if this has any holes in it.

Doesn't it have the same big hole as any form of lying to one's spouse: the seemingly inevitable fact that she'll find out? ;)

(The corollary in CT world being the sheer magnitude of individual complicity that is required.)

 

[Robbedigital]

Man the Podcast has been on fire lately!! Great stuff.I listened to Nelson 4 times and I’m on my second listen of this new one already, and not embarrassed whatsoever.
I love that Andy and Alex can riff on this stuff in much agreement with almost a radio show vibe.
Anyhow, I forgot to mention above, The episode briefly focused on the “Box Saga?” But there was no summary and I’m not seeing it when I google. Anyone wanna fill me in? I’ll take your calls when we return from the break, but for now here’s Chuck Mangione with his lesser known hit track Give it All You Got. Don’t touch that dial, we’ll be right back…

 

[Alex]

Man the Podcast has been on fire lately!! Great stuff.I listened to Nelson 4 times and I’m on my second listen of this new one already, and not embarrassed whatsoever.
I love that Andy and Alex can riff on this stuff in much agreement with almost a radio show vibe.
Anyhow, I forgot to mention above, The episode briefly focused on the “Box Saga?” But there was no summary and I’m not seeing it when I google. Anyone wanna fill me in? I’ll take your calls when we return from the break, but for now here’s Chuck Mangione with his lesser known hit track Give it All You Got. Don’t touch that dial, we’ll be right back…

https://www.carlborgen.com/what-is-...ck Saga is the,the shared origins of humanity

The Bock Saga is the story of mankind as passed down through the generations of the Bock family, the Finnish family of Ior Bock whom, according to him, was the keeper of an ancient oral tradition that not only sheds new light on the heathen culture of Finland and its history, but on the shared origins of humanity itself.

 

[Nelson]

Catching up with the latest Skeptiko shows as I drive through Transylvania. Halfway through the show with Andy. My impressions so far are that he sounds like a really cool guy with interesting experiences. What I disagree with him on is maxims he says as if they're true, without enough critical analysis. E.g. the middle path is always the best way... As above so below... The behaviour of the current political rulers is a reflection of what's inside each of us...

I don't think any of those is necessarily true. In many cases, the middle path isn't the best way... Sometimes as above somewhat so below... The current political rulers seem to have a fundamentally different psychology than the average person on the street...

 

[Nelson]

the seemingly inevitable fact that she'll find out? ;)

I'd bet there's a large proportion of extramarital affairs that remain unrevealed though...

On reflection, it's important to be vigilant of maxims such as "the truth always comes out in the end". This can be a huge blind spot for people who then assume that there can't be global, multigenerational conspiracies. It would actually be in the interest of a psychopathic ruling class to spread maxims such as "the truth always comes out in the end", "the middle path is always best", "we're all equally culpable for the world's problems", etc.

 

[Nelson]

To continue along this conspiratorial angle, another classic maxim:
"Good always triumphs in the end"

I don't think it's coincidental that this is almost always the pattern in Hollywood films / propaganda

From the perspective of the ruling class, it's in their interest for the rest of the population to believe that good always ends up victorious, because by extension, that means that the current rulers / victorious ones are also the good guys

 

[Silence]

I'd bet there's a large proportion of extramarital affairs that remain unrevealed though...

On reflection, it's important to be vigilant of maxims such as "the truth always comes out in the end". This can be a huge blind spot for people who then assume that there can't be global, multigenerational conspiracies. It would actually be in the interest of a psychopathic ruling class to spread maxims such as "the truth always comes out in the end", "the middle path is always best", "we're all equally culpable for the world's problems", etc.

There's an infinite regress here, which I'm sure you recognize. For every CT there is a CT counter, for which there is a counter CT and so on and so on.

So why waste any emotional/intellectual energy on the topic at all; one could ask? Interestingly, even if you could validate a global, multigenerational CT..... what then? Would having knowledge of such a thing improve your life? One would also have to factor the impact of all the CTs one invested energy in that were never substantiated as well. Would it be worth it; even from an opportunity cost perspective?

Its a fascinating aspect of the human condition.

 

[Nelson]

the show with Andy. My impressions so far are that he sounds like a really cool guy with interesting experiences. What I disagree with him on is maxims he says as if they're true, without enough critical analysis.

Just listened to the rest of the show. Good that Andy self-corrected by saying that he tends to make too many generalisations. He sounds like he really does want to follow where the data leads. An enjoyable show too. Thanks!

 

[Nelson]

There's an infinite regress here, which I'm sure you recognize. For every CT there is a CT counter, for which there is a counter CT and so on and so on.

We're not necessarily needing certainties here. For example, to my mind, there's enough evidence that the mRNA jabs are dangerous and part of a conspiracy.

The implications of investigating and assessing this have in at least a not small percentage of cases been massive. I know people who have told me about themselves or their friends/family members who have had huge problems within 24 hours of having the jab: heart attacks... extreme allergic reactions... period-type bleeding outside the normal cycle... burst spleen... Now one could respond like Dean Radin and say correlation doesn't necessarily mean causation... But the evidence is overwhelming, and enough research of history and experience in life shows that conspiracies are the norm, not the exception

 

[Robbedigital]

There's an infinite regress here, which I'm sure you recognize. For every CT there is a CT counter, for which there is a counter CT and so on and so on.

So why waste any emotional/intellectual energy on the topic at all; one could ask? Interestingly, even if you could validate a global, multigenerational CT..... what then? Would having knowledge of such a thing improve your life? One would also have to factor the impact of all the CTs one invested energy in that were never substantiated as well. Would it be worth it; even from an opportunity cost perspective?

Its a fascinating aspect of the human condition.

When Jack Nicholson yelled at Tom Cruise: “YOU CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH”. That wasn’t for art.
That was the Military+Hollywood talking directly to the tax payers.

But it’s a lie. The public CAN handle the truth. The real question is do they want to face it?

When the military or oligarchy pitches Less Accountability to the public and is even minimally successful, the public will always look like a CT for rejecting.

 

[Silence]

I know people who have told me about themselves or their friends/family members who have had huge problems within 24 hours of having the jab: heart attacks... extreme allergic reactions... period-type bleeding outside the normal cycle... burst spleen...

Here's my whole point about the infinite regress. I'll start one just to illustrate the point with your quote above.

I had the jab. 90%+ of the people in my social/professional circle have had the jab. Conservatively, let's say that's a couple hundred people. I haven't heard a single report of the bold (above). I'm not denying your experience, but simply sharing mine. I'm pretty sure neither of us have a sufficient sample size to drawn any firm conclusions nor the proper analysis of other factors that may have contributed to these reports.

If history holds, you'll have a response that provides further support for the CT. (A counter to my counter CT.) I could continue to respond and so on and so on.

But the evidence is overwhelming, and enough research of history and experience in life shows that conspiracies are the norm, not the exception

Here I agree but the connotation of the term "conspiracy" becomes important. There are always commercial opportunists ready to make a buck with any geo-level event (war, financial crisis, pandemic, natural disaster, etc). Many of them do so with questionable or even down right bad ethics. Pharma could be such a villain.

But there's another jump altogether to a global cabal of intergenerational puppet masters. (The usual assertion at the core of many conspiracy theories.)

 

[Nelson]

I had the jab. 90%+ of the people in my social/professional circle have had the jab. Conservatively, let's say that's a couple hundred people. I haven't heard a single report of the bold (above). I'm not denying your experience, but simply sharing mine.

Most of the horrifying things that occurred within little time following the jab were things that girls I'd been dating told me. I think with medical issues it can be embarrassing to tell certain things. So maybe that could explain what's going on. I've know many people and am relatively open about my opinions. So maybe those are other factors why I heard about such things. But in any case, there are other forms of evidence. Statistical evidence from the US DOD, from insurance companies etc. There's so much evidence that I really don't have the energy to argue it in detail any more. I've had basically the same argument countless times now, and in my experience most people seem to either quickly see that it's a conspiracy and that it's dangerous or they carry on business as usual and get their "booster"

 

[Nelson]

the connotation of the term "conspiracy" becomes important. There are always commercial opportunists ready to make a buck with any geo-level event (war, financial crisis, pandemic, natural disaster, etc). Many of them do so with questionable or even down right bad ethics. Pharma could be such a villain.

But there's another jump altogether to a global cabal of intergenerational puppet masters. (The usual assertion at the core of many conspiracy theories.)

If we go to the root of the word 'conspiracy', in Latin it literally means to 'breathe together'. In the etymology we actually see how natural conspiracy is, to breathe together.

As a rule of thumb, the higher up in power structures one goes, the more conspiratorial it becomes. It's normal. A low-level employee typically has a task with a certain payoff for doing it. But higher up in the hierarchy the payoffs are larger, the tasks less clearly defined, and much of the ways of getting what one wants is through meetings. High-level politicians spend a large amount of their time in meetings. They are breathing together, usually behind closed doors.

I'm not so familiar with the corporate world but I guess a lot of managers spend a large amount of their time in meetings, and especially for big companies lobbying is a major task / behind the doors agreements with politicians.

 

[Nelson]

When Jack Nicholson yelled at Tom Cruise: “YOU CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH”. That wasn’t for art.
That was the Military+Hollywood talking directly to the tax payers.

It's a fascinating point you made, but it's important to differentiate. That COULD have been for art AND part of a psyop. It was a memorable line :D

And do we have direct evidence that it was a psyop? Not that I know of. But given that only a relatively few control Hollywood and that the media is a crucial part of the control system, I think it not unlikely that that line really was there for social engineering

 

[Robbedigital]

It's a fascinating point you made, but it's important to differentiate. That COULD have been for art AND part of a psyop. It was a memorable line :D

And do we have direct evidence that it was a psyop? Not that I know of. But given that only a relatively few control Hollywood and that the media is a crucial part of the control system, I think it not unlikely that that line really was there for social engineering

"You better lose yourself in the music, the moment
You own it, you better never let it go
You only get one shot, do not miss your chance to blow
This opportunity comes once in a lifetime
You better
His soul's escaping, through this hole that is gaping
This world is mine for the taking
Make me king, as we move toward a New World Order
A normal life is borin', but super stardom's close to post mortem..."

-Eminem

 

[Nelson]

"You better lose yourself in the music, the moment
You own it, you better never let it go
You only get one shot, do not miss your chance to blow
This opportunity comes once in a lifetime
You better
His soul's escaping, through this hole that is gaping
This world is mine for the taking
Make me king, as we move toward a New World Order
A normal life is borin', but super stardom's close to post mortem..."

-Eminem

It's been a while since I did a deep dive about mind control and Satanic symbolism in Hollywood and the music industry. I hadn't paid attention to the lyrics of that song before.

On reflection, I suspect Eminem was introduced into the culture using a method that I've sometimes noticed, a method used in NLP called pacing and leading. In this technique, the subject is introduced to a stimulus that the subject is in synch with, but then the stimulus morphs into some other direction that the manipulator wanted to lead the subject to all along. For example, in the case of Eminem, he first appeared as a rebel against the system, which resonated with millions of alienated people; then Eminem morphed into promoting the NWO.

 

[Nelson]

I don't really listen to mainstream music any more, but I think the pacing and leading method can be seen in seemingly innocent child stars who are portrayed as such by their handlers. Then these child stars "go off the rails" and start promoting Satanism even.

One can see this technique used in television series too (which I haven't seen for years), but if you remember the series Dawson's Creek. It starts as an idyllic, beautiful, healthy setting and devolves into degeneracy and death, without redeeming features.

 

[Robbedigital]

I don't really listen to mainstream music any more, but I think the pacing and leading method can be seen in seemingly innocent child stars who are portrayed as such by their handlers. Then these child stars "go off the rails" and start promoting Satanism even.

One can see this technique used in television series too (which I haven't seen for years), but if you remember the series Dawson's Creek. It starts as an idyllic, beautiful, healthy setting and devolves into degeneracy and death, without redeeming features.

Wow, right on!
From that same viewpoint, when I'm watching a new Marvel "Eternals" movie with my gf and it seems like they threw it together (99% of budget on production and cast, 1% on attempt on making a classic), and the messaging is ridiculously obvious.. like they're saying things like (Paraphrasing) "the world is mad at us because we've taken poor care of it and it's going to explode if we don't trust these 10 characters nobody's ever heard of.",
I get a strong vibe that that the effect they're trying to produce is at a level that would normally call for extensive pacing-and-leading... maybe for instance 3 or 4 prequels leading up to pitching us believability in taking such a leap.

I was just thinking about this yesterday, how Hollywood shoves ethnic people into roles but they leave out their actual ethnicity. They don't know their actual ethnicity, they only know the bias Hollywood manufactures for them, so the messaging interferes with itself and creates a feedback loop. I'm developing a theory that this creates cognitive dissonance. I think we subconsciously know we're being cheated.