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Re: Hollywood/Military Social Programming op
Does not portray oppression they're responsible for. Will eventually/ultimately produce cognitive dissonance.
 
Robbedigital said:
Does not portray oppression they're responsible for. Will eventually/ultimately produce cognitive dissonance.
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I hope so! But so many people seem to be derping. A girlfriend in Germany told me that the mask mandates ended in her region last month, but even so about 60% of the people were still wearing masks.
*Facepalm*
 
Btw, I've been thinking about the phenomena of what are called derp-states, sheeple, NPCs, etc

Then as I said in the interview with Alex, I don't think we should discount the possibility that spirit possession is also real

That's why I'm starting to think that we're not all living equally rich spiritual lives. There are so many people who seem asleep at the wheel......
 
Robbedigital said:
and the messaging is ridiculously obvious.. like they're saying things like (Paraphrasing) "the world is mad at us because we've taken poor care of it and it's going to explode if we don't trust these 10 characters nobody's ever heard of."
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Aha, it reminds me of the latest Skeptiko interview with Dean Radin (to paraphrase): "humanity is dying, THEREFORE let me inject this barely tested mRNA jab into you so that you'll be fixed."
 
Nelson said:
Btw, I've been thinking about the phenomena of what are called derp-states, sheeple, NPCs, etc

Then as I said in the interview with Alex, I don't think we should discount the possibility that spirit possession is also real

That's why I'm starting to think that we're not all living equally rich spiritual lives. There are so many people who seem asleep at the wheel......
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I've been thinking about this for some time. My term for it is Disneyland Effect, and I lean away from both the spiritual and NPC assumptions.
Disneyland Effect:
I'm at Disneyland, so if anything is going to pull me away from the park it's going to be my house on fire, a family member dying, or a life threatening emergency of a family member. Most other concerns will need to be addressed by family or friends not currently at Disneyland.

If I just take this shot.
If I just support more power for ________ equality movement.
If I just support less danger (guns, drugs, racism)
etc..
Then I don't have to leave Disneyland and visit/attend to the actual problems.

I believe this Effect is managed/exploited by a conglomerate of Military/Politics/Media. And I think the effect is achieved via trauma programming start to finish, and while spirit may be a factor, I don't think this effect is spiritually based or NPC mode - I think those appearances are only perceived by those outside of the effect. And I assume it would benefit the conglomerate anytime their trauma programming is blamed spirit or npc.
 
Nelson said:
Btw, I've been thinking about the phenomena of what are called derp-states, sheeple, NPCs, etc

Then as I said in the interview with Alex, I don't think we should discount the possibility that spirit possession is also real

That's why I'm starting to think that we're not all living equally rich spiritual lives. There are so many people who seem asleep at the wheel......
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I'd caution against the pitfall of hubris.

After all, you might be the one not in on the gag. Right?
 
Silence said:
I'd caution against the pitfall of hubris.

After all, you might be the one not in on the gag. Right?
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You know you're not in that pitfall when you have invested concern for all sides of the debate.

Example: Gay Rights

-I want gay people to be free to do as they please within their own privacy and insofar as it does not impose on rights of others.
-I also must consider that there are people who will exploit any gay rights movement for it's massive grooming potential which will expose minors/undeveloped brains to danger.

Those experiencing this subject while in (what I’m arguing is) a "derp-state" or "disneyland-effect" cannot associate the latter with the former because it would require they exit the derp-state or disneyland. And not only can they not associate the latter(not even to figure out what ever significance they would assign to it), they also become programmed to assume that the mere consideration of the latter is a threat to the former. 2 birds with 1 stone - they support one movement and goal-keep against a fully-ancillary concern effectively unrelated to the cause they've bought.

Yes we all do this, but there are ways to check yourself to see if you're in the pitfall.
 
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The better clarify,
In my opinion these Derp-state & Disneyland Effect are not people. Rather it’s a way certain concerns are filed in a persons processing or database or bandwidth or whatever. It happens to all of us for various concerns. But I’d argue that in 2022 it’s more valuable in terms of weaponization than all the nukes.
 
Robbedigital said:
The better clarify,
In my opinion these Derp-state & Disneyland Effect are not people. Rather it’s a way certain concerns are filed in a persons processing or database or bandwidth or whatever. It happens to all of us for various concerns. But I’d argue that in 2022 it’s more valuable in terms of weaponization than all the nukes.
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Interesting discussion. It ties into the qualified non-dualism vs unqualified non-dualism topic too (vishishtadvaita vs advaita) and reportedly the existence of hierarchy in the extended consciousness realm...

I can imagine there are some figures who are so conformist (to whatever degrees from nature or conditioning) that their entire adulthood they just follow orders. Others might have been spiritually possessed. At least that's how the ancient texts and folk traditions around the world describe reality

Maybe a completely conformist individual (whether e.g. thoroughly conditioned or directly spiritually possessed) is also living an equally rich spiritual life as anyone else. But I doubt it
 
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Silence said:
I'd caution against the pitfall of hubris.

After all, you might be the one not in on the gag. Right?
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I agree. I'm very much aware of this. It's also clear that the ancient texts and folklore describe beings who are more powerful than humans.

This is of course one of the main messages of the ancient Greek myths and religion, not to become hubristic. In this context the Apollonian maxims in Delphi of "know thyself" and "nothing in excess" make sense in terms of: know that there are beings more powerful than you, and do not act as if you are the most powerful being in the universe.

Ancient graffiti at Delphi confirms this interpretation too
 
I've been thinking more about two profound questions that Alex asks:

"Do we all live equally rich spiritual lives?"

And

"Do ETs have NDEs?"
 
If we accept that to a degree the "gods" are ETs, the ancient sources say that the gods don't die. A step further, the data from ufology, NDE research, drug-induced psychedelic experiences etc seems to indicate that these "gods"/ET have mastered the physical and extended consciousness levels of reality. It's as if the NDE type level of reality is a barrierless realm of action for them. So one could say that ETs don't have NDEs, because they don't die / they have access to the NDE type level of reality at will
 
About the question "do we all live equally rich spiritual lives?"

Maybe it depends how we define "rich"... But assuming it is how much one learns in an incarnation, I think some students learn more in a class than others. Some are naturally more gifted students, and the amount of attention one pays to the class is also a factor. So it seems logical that during the life review, some students learnt a lot / had a "rich" experience, whereas others didn't pay much attention.

There seems to be evidence for this in the tradition of the Tibetans too. As Cherylee Black said in her latest skeptiko interview, there's a breed of dog that the Tibetans say has the souls of the inattentive students. Maybe this isn't accurate (e.g. it was just a way for Tibetan teachers to cajole their students into paying more attention), or maybe there is a kernel of truth to it......
 
In any case, some of the most important features of the extended consciousness realm are uniqueness of the individual and hierarchy. The evidence is overwhelming for this
 
To quote Cherylee again, she says in the latest interview at the timestamp 1:32:40 about her NDE:

"I didn't come back from my NDE thinking that I wasn't an individual. I mean, I'm part of something bigger, but, you know... I can also be me, and I think all the different expressions of me are good"

As I said in the other thread but it's worth repeating, this seems to back up the view that qualified non-dualism/ vishishtadvaita fits the NDE evidence better than simply non-dualism / advaita
 
Please note: There's maybe the danger in admitting the evidence for uniqueness and hierarchy in the extended consciousness realm that this could be a justification for supremacist type systems. Some have argued this in the case of the class / caste system of India, as well as the "chosen" people ideology of the Old Testament and viewing the non-"chosen" as cattle / goyim in Talmudic literature.

This is not what I'm saying. So please don't misinterpret this. All I'm saying is let's look at NDEs etc. for evidence of uniqueness and hierarchy in the extended consciousness realm as impartially as possible
 
Halfway through the Joanna Kujawa skeptiko interview. Initial thoughts:

It's actually a profound subject and I appreciate JK's openness in talking about it. As it relates to the nature of the extended consciousness realm, I'd like to quote JK's excerpt from her website that Alex also quoted in the show:

'I subscribe to no religion and yet I am a passionate believer in spiritual evolution and the presence of spirituality in all aspects of our lives. Not rigid, fear-based religion but a spirituality which expands us by embracing every aspect of our humanity and divinising it. This calls for redefining spirituality and freeing it from old constraints and limitations imposed by past cultural conditioning.'

I'd echoe Alex's positive sentiments, and add the following:

'spiritual evolution' implies uniqueness and hierarchy and that this is dynamic

'fear-based religion'... Aside from Machiavellian reasons for rulers to control a population through fear in religion, I'd like to address again why fear is not uncommonly reported in NDEs and ET encounters...
 
To quote JK again:

'This calls for redefining spirituality and freeing it from old constraints and limitations imposed by past cultural conditioning'...

Agreed, so long as we follow the data about what NDEs, ET encounters, folklore etc. seem to be telling us about the extended consciousness realm. I would even question whether biology / evolutionary psychology are relevant somehow...

Given that there are of course genetic differences between men and women, and there is overwhelming evidence that these genetic differences are correlated with differing sexual strategies (and these genetic differences are also evident in homosexuals' preferences too). The book 'A Billion Wicked Thoughts' shows this statistically, based especially on people's Internet searches regarding sexuality. But the more profound question appears, are sex differences relevant in the extended consciousness realm?...

And whatever the answer, what does this then imply about our degree of individuality / uniqueness seen from the perspective of the extended consciousness realm....
 
Nelson said:
About the question "do we all live equally rich spiritual lives?"
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I don't think I had " equally" in there but I get your point :)

Maybe it depends how we define "rich"...
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Agreed my darma brother :)

So, big picture, we're in this sea of consciousness... this sea of spirituality. in this sea we experience the constant yammering of the voice inside our head. this yammering can lead us to the best and the worst of human expression, but it is always in/of the sea of spirituality... because that's all there is. so our interaction with consciousness... with our consciousness... with unity consciousness... is our " rich spiritual life." it can't be otherwise :)
 
Unity consciousness IMO is not a concept that applies in cases of the surreal evil being perpetrated, as covered in this interview:
https://brandnewtube.com/watch/rein...r-a-must-watch-interview_b7eb5LS8iPiaNAH.html
Skip to minute 43ff.
This video is much better quality than the one I sent Alex.

There is a huge need to explore the implications of consciousness in cases of genetic alteration of these types and magnitude.

See also



Alex said:
I don't think I had " equally" in there but I get your point :)



Agreed my darma brother :)

So, big picture, we're in this sea of consciousness... this sea of spirituality. in this sea we experience the constant yammering of the voice inside our head. this yammering can lead us to the best and the worst of human expression, but it is always in/of the sea of spirituality... because that's all there is. so our interaction with consciousness... with our consciousness... with unity consciousness... is our " rich spiritual life." it can't be otherwise :)
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