Brent Raynes UFOs and Native Americans |568|

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Brent Raynes UFOs and Native Americans |568|
by Alex Tsakiris | Sep 7 | Others
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Brent Raynes is an author who has investgated the UFO phenomenon for more than 50 years.
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20 minutes through the interview... I'm amazed Brent Raynes isn't better known! He sounds like such a heavy hitter! (I hadn't even heard his name until today)

In complete contrast, Luis Elizondo, who came out of nowhere, gets massive media attention, and now says ufology needs to be destroyed and replaced....

But really, if anyone wasn't extremely suspicious of Luis Elizondo from the beginning, they didn't think things through.......
 
Btw, does anyone know the meditation Brent Raynes is talking about that Carl Jung tried?
(I've read a few of Jung's books, including his autobiography, but can't remember about this specific meditation)
 
Halfway through the interview. Disappointing Raynes keeps dodging the question about the disinfo agenda
 
Alex your response at 49:50 was diplomatic, but so far in the interview this guy has been evasive about the crucial questions and come out in favour of world government. He's failed the litmus test of trustworthiness imo
 
Great monologue by Alex on Christ consciousness and the psyops in the New Testament. Then Raynes doesn't directly address the question, AGAIN... but Peter, Paul and Mary are good Catholic names?... just that one statement alone makes my head hurt it's so stupid
 
And when I hear the following statements from someone:
1. the entities always seem to betray people in the end
2. I've accepted Jesus Christ into my heart (i.e. spirit possession?)...

Sounds kooky to me... how can someone maintain the cognitive dissonance?
 
Amazing to me that someone who knows how telepathic and treacherous these entities can be, would then think John Keel was communicating with him disincarnately... At least the language Raynes was using was like this, not saying e.g. a voice CLAIMING to be John Keel...

The Philip Experiment anyone?......
 
I had high hopes for this interview, but it didn't really get into American Indian reports of UFOs that much. Great monologues by Alex, on shamanic power yet still being defeated military, etc. and other such insightfulness as we expect from Alex, but the guest was often evasive, waffling and supports world government.

So overall a very disappointing guest.
 
PS: I think the American Indian reports of UFOs are super important though. Would like to hear a follow-up, level 3 discussion with Ardy Sixkiller Clarke. So far I'm really impressed by her! :)
 
Brent Raynes has been the Editor of Alternate Perceptions Magazine since he began publishing earlier renditions of it in the 1970s. Brent began researching UFO events in the late 60s and met nearly every major contactee and researcher in the field. He wrote articles for Fate Magazine, Recovery Times, and various other magazines as well as writing a chapter for Dr. Bert Schwarz’s UFO Dynamics, sections for Dr. Greg Little’s Grand Illusions and People of the Web. He has presented at several major UFO conferences and been a co-leader of tours to American mound sites. Brent is author of the books Visitors from Hidden Realms and On The Edge of Reality.
I liked that Brent drew attention to the connection between alien visitation and other paranormal phenomena. There seems to be less resistance to the idea now than there was back in the 80s and 90s. Back then, the various groups seemed to be more compartmented. Even today there seems to be a tendency for parapsychologists to frame everything through their paradigm, and the fundamentalists to frame everything trough some religious lens, but to me all that looks like a lot of confirmation bias.

If we're going to try on various one-size-fits-all explanations, it seems to me that high-tech alien visitation can explain the largest percentage of phenomena without having to resort to supernatural non-scientifically plausible explanations. The most common reason I hear against the "nuts & bolts" explanation, is that alien craft exhibit strange visual characteristics, like vanishing or fading out, or morphing. But active camouflage can explain that. Antigravity can explain levitation, and technologically assisted mind control can in theory, cover the rest.
 
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Even today there seems to be a tendency for parapsychologists to frame everything through their paradigm, and the fundamentalists to frame everything trough some religious lens, but to me all that looks like a lot of confirmation bias.

If we take NDEs as an example:
I think Christ consciousness could partly be explained by confirmation bias. I guess Alex you'd agree?
But I don't think NDEs are all a misunderstanding or entities with high technology creating these experiences.
I've said it before, but the NDEs, OBEs, shared death experiences, and even experiencing typical NDE elements without losing brain activity, are so pervasive, I doubt it's all due to some technology
 
If we're going to try on various one-size-fits-all explanations, it seems to me that high-tech alien visitation can explain the largest percentage of phenomena without having to resort to supernatural non-scientifically plausible explanations.

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic"
Arthur C. Clarke

But similarly, any paranormal experience that doesn't currently have a scientific explanation might be indistinguishable from nonsense. It doesn't necessarily mean it's not a real, non-technological phenomenon though........
 
The part where he mentions that these apparitions occasionally provide some positive benefit but that it later "turns sour"... this is a very important theme in fairy folklore, angelic/demonic folklore, magic... desires can never be completely fulfilled... they can be temporarily met or displaced with another desire. A being might hand out gold nuggets for them later to turn to dirt. Someone might get healed only to have the disease later return or have some other ailment replace it. Delicious looking food might turn out to be leaves and worms.

I used to be into fundamentalist Christianity and would occasionally hear of "outpourings of the spirit" where some preacher would apparently have miracles happening all around them for a while.. healings, prophecy, manifestations, etc... but then it would eventually devolve into something corrupt... people getting "drunk in the spirit" and crawling around laughing hysterically or acting like animals... then there would be something come out about the preacher having sex with some assistant or it turned into a scam. Or sometimes the person wouldn't give into corruption, but the miraculous happenings would fade. Some cynics would say it was always a scam from the beginning, but I believe some of these movements to have a kernel of actual magical power at the center having experienced a few things myself.

There is a dream-like quality to all of this. How many dreams have you had where you get a taste of something you want but it "turns sour" or just slips away from your grasp as you're about to obtain it and you awake with a longing for it and you go back to sleep to try and finish the dream to get the thing you almost had but you just can't every quite get back there?

There is a dream-like quality in the fact that experiencers often suspend their rational mind and accept something completely absurd just as they would in a dream and only realize the absurdity of it later when they try to explain the dream.

There is a dream-like quality in that the thing you observe seems to be independent of you but could just as well be a projection of your subconscious.

UFO sightings seem to be waking shared dreams... manifestations of collective subconscious. This isn't to say they aren't also physical in some way.

Thermodynamic cycles harness heat (energy) and chaos (entropy) to do mechanical work. Your desires are like heat (energy) and your will is like chaos (entropy). You can be harnessed to do work but instead of a heat pump or a Rankine or Otto cycle you are put in some kind of psychic cycle that generates desire within you and then discharges that desire and the work output is some act of creation... some change to the timeline. The dream that gives you a taste of glory before slipping away... the healing that almost but doesn't come... the blessing that turns into a curse...

Maybe Maxwell's Demon is real...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxwell's_demon
 
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God Love Brent Raynes... I think we're soul brothers. He's constantly trying to nudge Alex in the. "No, you can't just say that this is all a conspiracy" world." I miss Alex there <3
 
The part where he mentions that these apparitions occasionally provide some positive benefit but that it later "turns sour"... this is a very important theme in fairy folklore, angelic/demonic folklore, magic... desires can never be completely fulfilled... they can be temporarily met or displaced with another desire. A being might hand out gold nuggets for them later to turn to dirt. Someone might get healed only to have the disease later return or have some other ailment replace it. Delicious looking food might turn out to be leaves and worms.

I used to be into fundamentalist Christianity and would occasionally hear of "outpourings of the spirit" where some preacher would apparently have miracles happening all around them for a while.. healings, prophecy, manifestations, etc... but then it would eventually devolve into something corrupt... people getting "drunk in the spirit" and crawling around laughing hysterically or acting like animals... then there would be something come out about the preacher having sex with some assistant or it turned into a scam. Or sometimes the person wouldn't give into corruption, but the miraculous happenings would fade. Some cynics would say it was always a scam from the beginning, but I believe some of these movements to have a kernel of actual magical power at the center having experienced a few things myself.

There is a dream-like quality to all of this. How many dreams have you had where you get a taste of something you want but it "turns sour" or just slips away from your grasp as you're about to obtain it and you awake with a longing for it and you go back to sleep to try and finish the dream to get the thing you almost had but you just can't every quite get back there?

There is a dream-like quality in the fact that experiencers often suspend their rational mind and accept something completely absurd just as they would in a dream and only realize the absurdity of it later when they try to explain the dream.

There is a dream-like quality in that the thing you observe seems to be independent of you but could just as well be a projection of your subconscious.

UFO sightings seem to be waking shared dreams... manifestations of collective subconscious. This isn't to say they aren't also physical in some way.

Thermodynamic cycles harness heat (energy) and chaos (entropy) to do mechanical work. Your desires are like heat (energy) and your will is like chaos (entropy). You can be harnessed to do work but instead of a heat pump or a Rankine or Otto cycle you are put in some kind of psychic cycle that generates desire within you and then discharges that desire and the work output is some act of creation... some change to the timeline. The dream that gives you a taste of glory before slipping away... the healing that almost but doesn't come... the blessing that turns into a curse...

Maybe Maxwell's Demon is real...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxwell's_demon
What a great post!!
 
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