Charlie Robinson, Octopus of Control |522|

#3
Let's look at history. It's a fact that the French had opposition groups that extolled certain virtues about politics, but they turned out to be shell dummies produced by the ppl in power. In Texas, I got involved w/ a group that was working to control emissions from a cement kiln in Midlothian, TX. that spewed its waste gases & toxic particles all over the Metroplex, as far out as Collin county. It burned medical waste, chemical waste from various nefarious sources, & so on. However, after several years of no credible action like road-blocking to the kiln & so forth, I got the picture that the kiln & other interests were funding one guy in particular to make sure NOTHING was done of any importance.
 
#4
Speaking of getting off the reservation or as Alex as put it in re: to some extreme NDErs, jumping off the rails, someone has gotten to Jon Stewart. I love the guy, but he's on HuffPost saying tRump has a real shot at 2024 as prez. First off, tRump's going to jail or some patriot is going to eliminate him b/c he's such an evil influence. Oh, he might suddenly die from gastroenteritis or some similar 'natural' cause, but Orange Stain is history b/c he's so depraved. However, in the meantime, the Far Right can't stand truth tellers like Stewart whaling away at Dumpster forever. So, someone has threatened Jon & said give a little power to our subhuman meat robot.
 
#5
This "They just move the cheese" concept is golden. I think it brings you to this chicken-or-egg thing where one has to ask: "Ok. Then if so-and-so weren't given that platform wouldn't someone else be there in their place? or would the different chain of events have landed the cheese somewhere completely different?"
I love it. University of Skeptiko.
 
#6
Once again, I worry that there is the desire to conflate things to make sense of them.
It's absolutely possible to hold multiple things as true.
Notice in the conversation, on one hand, Charlie and Alex are berating (mildly of course) Joe Rogan for not taking the next step in "recognizing the truth" about one conspiracy while he's saying that there is another, when if you forward "the tape" on this very intro, both of them are complaining about how silly "Flat Earthers" are, and they would be saying the same thing.
I continue to suggest that this is evidence of two things:
1. Americans have a very circular logic about their government and the free market system specifically. For example, Alex agrees there needs to be regulations but then points out that the only alternative is... North Korea? Really?
That's like telling your kids. Brush your teeth three times a day with Crest toothpaste or your only alternative is that you'll lose all your teeth when you're a teenager and die from infection to your jaw. What? How did we get there? We know there are MANY different models of social democracies that both work and don't work. Those who know it can work, point to my own country of Canada and the Nordic model and those who say it doesn't work, point to South America where it doesn't matter WHAT government you put in there, it is corrupt and destructive
The Canadian constitution requires "peace, order, and good government" as opposed to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness". Certainly, the first one is more collectivist values that ensure individualist capabilities, while the latter makes a good bumper sticker but provides no expectation for the government to hold up their end of the bargain.

2. Alex's success in life has cut him off from some possible alternatives I think. Is it not fair to say that extreme poverty provides some form of perspective as does extreme wealth? I'm not suggesting Alex has or hasn't experienced either or, or both, but when you don't need to worry about making ends meet each month, paying for gold-level healthcare isn't something you worry about. You don't even have to DEMAND for a democratic government that makes certain that equity happens between peoples. Certainly, it's true that the government and EVERY organization or individual with power, money and influence can start to take a paternalistic attitude towards everyone else. Those beliefs very quickly start coming up with patterns that you are SURE are what's REALLY happening.

But I would respectfully suggest that Charlie's puzzle set argument is wrong. He's assuming we all have the puzzle pieces, but only the government holds them away from us. Nonsense. We DON'T have all the puzzle pieces by design. We're operating with a 10,000 piece puzzle that can complete it's own pictures in 150, 300, 500, 1000, 3000, and even 5000 pieces that look to be the entire picture to us.
But, no human being from the beginning of time- to our knowledge- NO MATTER what government or lack of government is involved has ever put together the 10,000 pieces this side of the veil.
They've only convinced themselves that their "completed" part of the puzzle was all you needed to know.
J
 
#7
Once again, I worry that there is the desire to conflate things to make sense of them.
It's absolutely possible to hold multiple things as true.
Notice in the conversation, on one hand, Charlie and Alex are berating (mildly of course) Joe Rogan for not taking the next step in "recognizing the truth" about one conspiracy while he's saying that there is another, when if you forward "the tape" on this very intro, both of them are complaining about how silly "Flat Earthers" are, and they would be saying the same thing.
I continue to suggest that this is evidence of two things:
1. Americans have a very circular logic about their government and the free market system specifically. For example, Alex agrees there needs to be regulations but then points out that the only alternative is... North Korea? Really?
That's like telling your kids. Brush your teeth three times a day with Crest toothpaste or your only alternative is that you'll lose all your teeth when you're a teenager and die from infection to your jaw. What? How did we get there? We know there are MANY different models of social democracies that both work and don't work. Those who know it can work, point to my own country of Canada and the Nordic model and those who say it doesn't work, point to South America where it doesn't matter WHAT government you put in there, it is corrupt and destructive
The Canadian constitution requires "peace, order, and good government" as opposed to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness". Certainly, the first one is more collectivist values that ensure individualist capabilities, while the latter makes a good bumper sticker but provides no expectation for the government to hold up their end of the bargain.

2. Alex's success in life has cut him off from some possible alternatives I think. Is it not fair to say that extreme poverty provides some form of perspective as does extreme wealth? I'm not suggesting Alex has or hasn't experienced either or, or both, but when you don't need to worry about making ends meet each month, paying for gold-level healthcare isn't something you worry about. You don't even have to DEMAND for a democratic government that makes certain that equity happens between peoples. Certainly, it's true that the government and EVERY organization or individual with power, money and influence can start to take a paternalistic attitude towards everyone else. Those beliefs very quickly start coming up with patterns that you are SURE are what's REALLY happening.

But I would respectfully suggest that Charlie's puzzle set argument is wrong. He's assuming we all have the puzzle pieces, but only the government holds them away from us. Nonsense. We DON'T have all the puzzle pieces by design. We're operating with a 10,000 piece puzzle that can complete it's own pictures in 150, 300, 500, 1000, 3000, and even 5000 pieces that look to be the entire picture to us.
But, no human being from the beginning of time- to our knowledge- NO MATTER what government or lack of government is involved has ever put together the 10,000 pieces this side of the veil.
They've only convinced themselves that their "completed" part of the puzzle was all you needed to know.
J
I think I am going to throw a party that involves you, Alex, Greg Carlwood, and Charlie. Can you get across that Canadian border yet, or are you guys still locked down?
 
#8
I would love to engage either or both in an interview.
Of course, my podcast has been going for 17 years weekly but it's based on Audio Drama.
I did have a show called "North of Reality" that I could never put the time it deserves into it.
The chief elements would be the following three questions:
1. What do you know?
2. What do you think/believe? (ie. What you think is occurring)
3. What can you prove? (provide definitive unarguable links)
 
#11
I will have to check it out.
Well I actually have 11.
The Mutual Audio Network is my daily drop series of audio dramas. Each of which is organized on a daily theme and have their own (Monday Matinee, Tuesday Terror, Wednesday Wonders, Thursday Thrillers, Friday Follies, Saturday Story Circle, and Sunday Showcase)
My original series is called "The Sonic Society" which can be found on Sunday Showcase weekly. www.sonicsociety.org
From Saturday Story Circle we have a kids audio fiction series called Story Circle Theatre, and an adult fiction podcast called Mutual Bookclub but that one is in dire need up updating)
And then my Electric Vicuna Production Podcast is a collection and weekly drop of every Audio Drama I've written, produced, acted in, etc.. in the last 20 years.
All found on Apple Pod, Stitcher, Google Play, Spotify etc...
J
 
#12
Charlie mentioned something regarding parents looking over their child and that invasion of privacy vs. the government monitoring us and our lack of privacy and how it's kind of gray area and who's to say what's right, etc...something along those lines. I thought the comparison wasn't really a fair one because obviously a parent watching over their child (in a crib I believe the example was) is obviously for their safety, they are not old enough to prevent choking etc...The government watching over adults is entirely different, we are supposed to be rational autonomous agents. Otherwise a solid interview as always lol
 
#13
Yeah, I has a big problem with the parent-child/ adult-government analogy as well.
We know for a scientific fact that children don't make consistently good judgements. Their prefrontal lobe isn't fully developed often until 25.
This is why we don't let kids vote when they enter kindergarten.
Governmental responsibility is far different than parental responsibility for that alone.
 
#14
I will have to check it out.
Well I actually have 11.
The Mutual Audio Network is my daily drop series of audio dramas. Each of which is organized on a daily theme and have their own (Monday Matinee, Tuesday Terror, Wednesday Wonders, Thursday Thrillers, Friday Follies, Saturday Story Circle, and Sunday Showcase)
My original series is called "The Sonic Society" which can be found on Sunday Showcase weekly. www.sonicsociety.org
From Saturday Story Circle we have a kids audio fiction series called Story Circle Theatre, and an adult fiction podcast called Mutual Bookclub but that one is in dire need up updating)
And then my Electric Vicuna Production Podcast is a collection and weekly drop of every Audio Drama I've written, produced, acted in, etc.. in the last 20 years.
All found on Apple Pod, Stitcher, Google Play, Spotify etc...
J
Also, without sounding like a commercial, I'll be engaged in a live chat on the subject of Modern Audio Drama on Saturday for SPERDVAC (The Society for Preservation of Radio Drama, Variety and Comedy. ) More on the free link at the Sonic Society website.
 
#15
I interpret Jon Stewart's appearance on Colbert's The Late Show a bit differently than either Alex or Charlie.

Stewart's comic delivery of the lab leak narrative was entertaining, but hides the truth.

Jon '9/11 Was An Outside Job' Stewart was a wonderful late night host, but he's a gate keeper.

Any version of the deadly viral contagion story is still talking about and supporting the official narrative, which was always intended to end with MANDATORY VACCINATION.

The lab leak narrative appeals to truthers for many reasons, but it still supports the need for vaccines.

To be clear, the virus has never been isolated, the PCR test is a fraud used to inflate 'case' numbers, the vaccines are lethal with 16,000 deaths already reported in the underused CDC database, all leading towards the "Great Reset" and further consolidation of power in the claws of the predator class and a dramatic reduction in human population to more controllable levels, controlled through transhumanism in a totalitarian technocracy of a bio-security state with further detachment for the masses of humans from our connection to spirit.

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#16
This is another one of those where I go... "Whaaaa?". Is this something that happens with Americans or is this some kind of viewpoint I would see around the world?
What I mean is this. Why can't someone on one hand think that the lab leak is a real thing but NOT think that 911 was an inside job?
Why is there this binary response of: "You're either an outsider or you work for the Globalists"?

This was my same criticism of Alex where on one hand they talk about people denying the evidence on one hand, but saying that Flat Earthers are all nuts on the other. Do we not see the central disconnection in these either/or conclusions?

It could VERY WELL be that Jon Stewart sees one thing as true and the other as false WITHOUT being an agent of deception himself.
The suggestion that you're "in for a penny in for a pound" seems a little ridiculous to me.
I'm not saying he's RIGHT in all of his arguments. Like Alex, I agree with some of his assumptions (like Alex's take on so many things like extended consciousness, the alien issue, and the nature of evil) and I can totally disagree with him on others (like Global Warming, some of his aspects on the nature of evil, and his views on capitalism).
I don't think that anyone who disagrees with me that Global Warming is a real thing and a genuine threat to the nation is AN AGENT OF DECEPTION just because their views of anti-global warming fits perfectly with the deceitful nature of the Oil companies who have been proven to be faking their date for decades. You're not a Globalist because you don't believe in Global Warming.
You're just mistaken on the facts. I don't assume that you are either an agent for good or evil based on your various opinions on things.
J
 

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#17
I interpret Jon Stewart's appearance on Colbert's The Late Show a bit differently than either Alex or Charlie.

Stewart's comic delivery of the lab leak narrative was entertaining, but hides the truth.

Jon '9/11 Was An Outside Job' Stewart was a wonderful late night host, but he's a gate keeper.
agreed

Any version of the deadly viral contagion story is still talking about and supporting the official narrative, which was always intended to end with MANDATORY VACCINATION.
Leaving the vaccine aside for a minute I think charlie nailed it -- this whole exercise is about compliance not science.
 
#18
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Once again, I worry that there is the desire to conflate things to make sense of them.
It's absolutely possible to hold multiple things as true.
Notice in the conversation, on one hand, Charlie and Alex are berating (mildly of course) Joe Rogan for not taking the next step in "recognizing the truth" about one conspiracy while he's saying that there is another, when if you forward "the tape" on this very intro, both of them are complaining about how silly "Flat Earthers" are, and they would be saying the same thing.
I continue to suggest that this is evidence of two things:
1. Americans have a very circular logic about their government and the free market system specifically. For example, Alex agrees there needs to be regulations but then points out that the only alternative is... North Korea? Really?
That's like telling your kids. Brush your teeth three times a day with Crest toothpaste or your only alternative is that you'll lose all your teeth when you're a teenager and die from infection to your jaw. What? How did we get there? We know there are MANY different models of social democracies that both work and don't work. Those who know it can work, point to my own country of Canada and the Nordic model and those who say it doesn't work, point to South America where it doesn't matter WHAT government you put in there, it is corrupt and destructive
The Canadian constitution requires "peace, order, and good government" as opposed to "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness". Certainly, the first one is more collectivist values that ensure individualist capabilities, while the latter makes a good bumper sticker but provides no expectation for the government to hold up their end of the bargain.

2. Alex's success in life has cut him off from some possible alternatives I think. Is it not fair to say that extreme poverty provides some form of perspective as does extreme wealth? I'm not suggesting Alex has or hasn't experienced either or, or both, but when you don't need to worry about making ends meet each month, paying for gold-level healthcare isn't something you worry about. You don't even have to DEMAND for a democratic government that makes certain that equity happens between peoples. Certainly, it's true that the government and EVERY organization or individual with power, money and influence can start to take a paternalistic attitude towards everyone else. Those beliefs very quickly start coming up with patterns that you are SURE are what's REALLY happening.

But I would respectfully suggest that Charlie's puzzle set argument is wrong. He's assuming we all have the puzzle pieces, but only the government holds them away from us. Nonsense. We DON'T have all the puzzle pieces by design. We're operating with a 10,000 piece puzzle that can complete it's own pictures in 150, 300, 500, 1000, 3000, and even 5000 pieces that look to be the entire picture to us.
But, no human being from the beginning of time- to our knowledge- NO MATTER what government or lack of government is involved has ever put together the 10,000 pieces this side of the veil.
They've only convinced themselves that their "completed" part of the puzzle was all you needed to know.
J
A Little correction ( osea) addition.. paraphrasing all SA countries are fucked up, government wise...greed and corruption. While generally true, there are a few notable exceptions: Paraguay, and I hear Chile is getting there act together....well at least people wanting to go down there for work reasons.

Both socialist... By inference we could draw the conclusion that unchecked capitalism is one of the nine (?) deadly sins (what are the others BTW?)
The banking oversight agency under Bush was gutted. All that was left to do was turn off the lights (but they left them on as pretense that somebody was actually home)
That being so, competition of the Worst Morally Corrupt were allowed free expression..no worst..cheered on. As Mr. Robinson story very well out lines (new construction sales)...but Truelly would you say no if they offered to pay off the credit card and car loans?

But really ..does capitalism actually work, anywhere? Well i guess that depends on who you ask. My own personal observation in the South lands is NO, in America? Where they tout it as better then apple pie - as it were a new invention, quite forgetting the Romans were capitalists.

If anything here I've said is actually wrong, by explication - not a problem, happens all the time.
 
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#19
I don't know if we can make the assertion that neither capitalism nor socialism (really both are so broad terms in their application at this point to be relatively meaningless. Are they substitutes for economic or democratic systems or both?) are hopelessly morally corrupt.
I think that they just FEEL that way when people feel as helpless as they do.
But, like when the wall fell down in Berlin. Things feel impossible or inevitable until they change overnight. And sometimes they very well do.
J
 
#20
I don't know if we can make the assertion that neither capitalism nor socialism (really both are so broad terms in their application at this point to be relatively meaningless. Are they substitutes for economic or democratic systems or both?) are hopelessly morally corrupt.
I think that they just FEEL that way when people feel as helpless as they do.
But, like when the wall fell down in Berlin. Things feel impossible or inevitable until they change overnight. And sometimes they very well do.
J
You might enjoy/appreciate this conversation. I just listened yesterday evening.
Ep 121 | 'Welcome to Anarchism, Glenn' | Michael Malice | The Glenn Beck Podcast
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podca...ichael-malice-the/id620967489?i=1000538758561
 
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