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Michael Graziano is at it again peeps.
http://www.theatlantic.com/science/...iousness-color-brain/423522/#article-comments
http://www.theatlantic.com/science/...iousness-color-brain/423522/#article-comments
Michael Graziano is at it again peeps.
http://www.theatlantic.com/science/...iousness-color-brain/423522/#article-comments
I agree.Sometimes he says consciousness doesn't exist. Sometimes he says it does. He needs to speak and write more carefully.
~~ Paul
I think he has a consistent position but describes it sloppily.I agree.
However, I sometimes flip between those two positions.
Are you conscious at the time you flip into believing that consciousness doesn't exist?I agree.
However, I sometimes flip between those two positions.
Not necessarily.Are you conscious at the time you flip into believing that consciousness doesn't exist?
Are you conscious at the time you flip into believing that consciousness doesn't exist?
David
Computers conclude all the time.Quoted from his article " The computer concludes that it has qualia because that serves as a useful, if simplified, self-model."
The computer ...concludes. What utter tosh Just my thoughts, please continue
I think he has a consistent opinion. The trick is figuring out what people mean by consciousness. If they mean something tangible, a "thing," then he disagrees. If they mean some kind of process that produces a useful brain tool, then he agrees.I think Paul's point was that Graziano seems to be arguing for the two positions at the same time, rather than criticizing him for wavering between two positions?
Computers conclude all the time.
3 a : to reach as a logically necessary end by reasoning : infer on the basis of evidence *concluded that her argument was sound* b : to make a decision about : DECIDE *concluded he would wait a little longer* c : to come to an agreement on : EFFECT *conclude a sale*
If you think not, then that says something interesting about your requirements for "concluding." Can you state what they are?
~~ Paul
Computers conclude all the time.
3 a : to reach as a logically necessary end by reasoning : infer on the basis of evidence *concluded that her argument was sound* b : to make a decision about : DECIDE *concluded he would wait a little longer* c : to come to an agreement on : EFFECT *conclude a sale*
If you think not, then that says something interesting about your requirements for "concluding." Can you state what they are?
~~ Paul
There is no computing at all, so probably not.I don't think a computer does any of those possible definitions of conclude?
Does a thermometer conclude a temperature?
Yes, according to definition 3b and also probably 3a.Does my car conclude it needs to stop when I press the brakes?
And what information can you use other than your memories and the current state of affairs?Well doesn't the (mental) act of concluding require "reasoning," "retrospection," the possibility of changing one's mind based on new evidence. A computer surely can only use the information and the method of dealing with that information, that the person programmed it with.
There is no computing at all, so probably not.
Yes, according to definition 3b and also probably 3a.
Again, I think you've loaded the term conclude with some unstated requirements.
~~ Paul
Can you elaborate how my car stopping when I hit the breaks meets either of those definitions?