David Mathisen, Myths and Roman Trauma |503|

#2
I'm coming out swinging, metaphorically.

I challenge anyone to imagine sitting in present time 2021 and composing an original fictional story, setting Earth, about a character living in the year 2021... lets say you write 200 pages...
Only catch is, you must compose this entire story without a single mention of: TV, Radio, Electricity, Computers, Internet, Social Media, or Telephones...

Argument: It would be equally difficult for someone alive in the year 100AD to exclude the prevailing mythical astrology from any writing. Especially when ascribing for the hero archetype.

Chicken or the Egg?

Disclaimer: Yes, I'm only 1/2 way through episode.., but I will surely listen to this episode multiple times like I do most new episodes. And I will happily come back and post to recant my jab if/when I hear this issue addressed within the 2nd half.
 
#3
Of course the Italian Freemasonry and Illuminati had a hand in JFK's assassination.
And systematically taking over all aspects of the system, like you alluded to earlier.
The keys to the kingdom. The elements of storytelling. How to identify key figures and handle them. And how to masquerade as something, just by calling yourself that and mimicking.
STILL GOING ON TODAY. The man behind the curtain. Pay no attention!
 

Alex

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#4
Argument: It would be equally difficult for someone alive in the year 100AD to exclude the prevailing mythical astrology from any writing. Especially when ascribing for the hero archetype.

Chicken or the Egg?
I agree. I've always pushed David on this point... and have sometimes pissed him off. I've always had a "chalk it up to ET and move on" attitude, but I'm kind of coming around to the other part of his argument. the egg argument :) i.e. what are the implications of a ancient, global system of knowledge transmitted through a system of myths based on star constellations? what do the myths tell us about those who created them?
 
#5
Nargh. I feel like Alex is spinning off lately stuck on unproven beliefs about Josephus.
For some reason, my brothers in America seem stuck on the whole World Order thing despite the following facts.
1. There has been ZERO new legislation from any nation that I know of that's creating a one-world government pre or POST Covid.
2. Most people just want to get back to normal after the pandemic. Most governments (the US is the worst) have been providing money to their people to KEEP their businesses afloat and people from falling into abject poverty. IF there was this push, then they wouldn't be helping out to keep the old system running.
3. There's ZERO evidence that Josephus was actually a roman plant or that Christianity was a PSI-OP. I'm not a Christian, and while the idea is compelling, it's still just abject guesswork.
How do I know this?
Because we keep making the same mistakes.
Mistake #1: Hanlon's Razor is in play here. Alex keeps assuming some kind of cabal of some sort that has been purposefully doing all this stuff. The REAL problem are the cracks in capitalism that allow the abuse of the system. But instead of looking at the possibility of creating better safeguards through creating a social democracy, the problem COULDNT be capitalism could it? Ask the Icelanders what they did when the last big crash happened. They jailed the bankers who took the country into ruin. How many bankers did America OR Canada for that matter jail? None.
The problem isn't some deep down evil cabal who wants to rule the world from their front porch. The problems are that capitalism needs to be properly regulated.
Mistake #2. Related to the above mistake. Nobody at the top WANTS a One-World Government. They already control people through the money they are making because of the broken system. Do you think that Bezos wants people to no longer work and depend on a government? OF COURSE NOT. He makes more money employing people cheaply and being able to hook people on a market economy that's specifically an economy that has people look to material items to solve their issues. The wealthy WANT indentured servants. They don't want starving masses they have to feed, clothe, and provide healthcare for. The more you can convince people that government is incompetent, evil, etc... the more you can foist the needs that a government used to have upon corporate capitalist forces. The Nazis knew this. This is why they ran their Fascism through corporate relationships. They made sure their populace worked at a company and could not change jobs. They paid them very little, and scraped up the rest. This is the essence of the right-wing Fascist state.
Mistake #3. Josephus wasn't bound by our understandings of historical accuracy. Most ancient scholars wrote to tell a story. They didn't write NOR DID ANYONE BELIEVE they wrote specific history. We see this all the way up through the middle ages. Geoffrey of Monmouth mixed history with storytelling to add elements in that didn't exist. Never let the facts get in the way of a good story. That was the nature of "historians" until the modern age. And even then...
Mistake #4. Constantine was running a failing society. His choices to make Roman into a Christian empire had nothing to do with controlling people and everything to do with controlling the costs. Before it became a Christian nation, Rome held all gods and goddesses sacrosanct. This means EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK there were holy days. This shut down industry. Shut up commerce. Made it really hard to actually DO anything. Constantine killing his family members had nothing to do about "being a good Christian" and everything to do with being of the age and the world he was in. "Good Christians" raped and pillaged for centuries and even to this modern day. Constantine was a Christian out of economic necessity and nothing else. They had to create a single religion to try to provide clarity to the fading Roman Empire, and there were two possibilities. Mithras who was really popular amongst his soldiers, and this Nazarene named Jesus who the rank and file poor folk loved. He was political to choose Jesus because it made him more popular with the poor and helped stem any uprisings. Strictly political, nothing to do with creating some grand psi-op at the time, as far as any evidence we can find.

I fear that Alex, as brilliant and as clever as you are my friend, you've got your hands on a hammer, and you're going to treat every problem like a nail. Step back a bit and see there are very real holes in your conclusions. You may be totally right. But there's no way we're there yet.
It's too bad Tom Harpur passed away a couple years back. He would have been the best person for Alex to talk to.
http://www.tomharpur.com/biography/
 
#6
I agree. I've always pushed David on this point... and have sometimes pissed him off. I've always had a "chalk it up to ET and move on" attitude, but I'm kind of coming around to the other part of his argument. the egg argument :) i.e. what are the implications of a ancient, global system of knowledge transmitted through a system of myths based on star constellations? what do the myths tell us about those who created them?
Where their various influences originate from.
 
#7
Nargh. I feel like Alex is spinning off lately stuck on unproven beliefs about Josephus.
For some reason, my brothers in America seem stuck on the whole World Order thing despite the following facts.
1. There has been ZERO new legislation from any nation that I know of that's creating a one-world government pre or POST Covid.
2. Most people just want to get back to normal after the pandemic. Most governments (the US is the worst) have been providing money to their people to KEEP their businesses afloat and people from falling into abject poverty. IF there was this push, then they wouldn't be helping out to keep the old system running.
3. There's ZERO evidence that Josephus was actually a roman plant or that Christianity was a PSI-OP. I'm not a Christian, and while the idea is compelling, it's still just abject guesswork.
How do I know this?
Because we keep making the same mistakes.
Mistake #1: Hanlon's Razor is in play here. Alex keeps assuming some kind of cabal of some sort that has been purposefully doing all this stuff. The REAL problem are the cracks in capitalism that allow the abuse of the system. But instead of looking at the possibility of creating better safeguards through creating a social democracy, the problem COULDNT be capitalism could it? Ask the Icelanders what they did when the last big crash happened. They jailed the bankers who took the country into ruin. How many bankers did America OR Canada for that matter jail? None.
The problem isn't some deep down evil cabal who wants to rule the world from their front porch. The problems are that capitalism needs to be properly regulated.
Mistake #2. Related to the above mistake. Nobody at the top WANTS a One-World Government. They already control people through the money they are making because of the broken system. Do you think that Bezos wants people to no longer work and depend on a government? OF COURSE NOT. He makes more money employing people cheaply and being able to hook people on a market economy that's specifically an economy that has people look to material items to solve their issues. The wealthy WANT indentured servants. They don't want starving masses they have to feed, clothe, and provide healthcare for. The more you can convince people that government is incompetent, evil, etc... the more you can foist the needs that a government used to have upon corporate capitalist forces. The Nazis knew this. This is why they ran their Fascism through corporate relationships. They made sure their populace worked at a company and could not change jobs. They paid them very little, and scraped up the rest. This is the essence of the right-wing Fascist state.
Mistake #3. Josephus wasn't bound by our understandings of historical accuracy. Most ancient scholars wrote to tell a story. They didn't write NOR DID ANYONE BELIEVE they wrote specific history. We see this all the way up through the middle ages. Geoffrey of Monmouth mixed history with storytelling to add elements in that didn't exist. Never let the facts get in the way of a good story. That was the nature of "historians" until the modern age. And even then...
Mistake #4. Constantine was running a failing society. His choices to make Roman into a Christian empire had nothing to do with controlling people and everything to do with controlling the costs. Before it became a Christian nation, Rome held all gods and goddesses sacrosanct. This means EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK there were holy days. This shut down industry. Shut up commerce. Made it really hard to actually DO anything. Constantine killing his family members had nothing to do about "being a good Christian" and everything to do with being of the age and the world he was in. "Good Christians" raped and pillaged for centuries and even to this modern day. Constantine was a Christian out of economic necessity and nothing else. They had to create a single religion to try to provide clarity to the fading Roman Empire, and there were two possibilities. Mithras who was really popular amongst his soldiers, and this Nazarene named Jesus who the rank and file poor folk loved. He was political to choose Jesus because it made him more popular with the poor and helped stem any uprisings. Strictly political, nothing to do with creating some grand psi-op at the time, as far as any evidence we can find.

I fear that Alex, as brilliant and as clever as you are my friend, you've got your hands on a hammer, and you're going to treat every problem like a nail. Step back a bit and see there are very real holes in your conclusions. You may be totally right. But there's no way we're there yet.
It's too bad Tom Harpur passed away a couple years back. He would have been the best person for Alex to talk to.
http://www.tomharpur.com/biography/
NWO and Illuminati not the same thing. So, right now they're probably tearing each other to pieces trying to obtain ULTIMATE POWER.
It's our ace in the hold. Stay out of their way and let them all self-destruct.
 
#8
NWO and Illuminati not the same thing. So, right now they're probably tearing each other to pieces trying to obtain ULTIMATE POWER.
It's our ace in the hold. Stay out of their way and let them all self-destruct.
I'm still struggling to understand why EITHER wants the responsibility of running the place when they can have their cake and eat it too with the current system.
 
#9
I'm still struggling to understand why EITHER wants the responsibility of running the place when they can have their cake and eat it too with the current system.
They're losing control. People are waking up to our interconnectedness and that the system doesn't work in their best interest.
 
#10
They're losing control. People are waking up to our interconnectedness and that the system doesn't work in their best interest.
But that is BECAUSE of Covid, not the other way around.
COVID has had a whole bunch of people wake up and decide they aren't going to go to work for minimum wage anymore. If anything, the Pandemic has woken people up to the people controlling the world and that alone will change things.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it. The pandemic is no upside for people who have everything.
 
#11
But that is BECAUSE of Covid, not the other way around.
COVID has had a whole bunch of people wake up and decide they aren't going to go to work for minimum wage anymore. If anything, the Pandemic has woken people up to the people controlling the world and that alone will change things.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it. The pandemic is no upside for people who have everything.
Because Covid??
I seem to remember massive protests happening just PRIOR to Covid in Italy, France, Hong Kong, Brazil, and many other places..... including (go ahead and google it) Wuhan.

Many like myself believe Covid was a magic bullet.
 
#13
But that is BECAUSE of Covid, not the other way around.
COVID has had a whole bunch of people wake up and decide they aren't going to go to work for minimum wage anymore. If anything, the Pandemic has woken people up to the people controlling the world and that alone will change things.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it. The pandemic is no upside for people who have everything.
All things in the physical realm are effects, not causes. Materialistic thinking is a dead end.
 
#14
Let me qualify that seemingly ambiguous statement.
All aspects of the system are now collapsing because they either don't respect individual and collective consciousness, or because they don't recognize it in the FIRST place.
Apocalypse. Yea.
 
#16
So which is it? Individual or collective?
It's both.
Individual sovereignty and responsibility. Accountability and integrity.
Collective power and similar qualifiers on a larger scale.
But, IMHO people have to behave responsibly to deserve true freedom. Stop being wasteful and selfish. Respect all life, not just protecting their own interests.
 
#19
Thoroughly enjoyed this episode.
For as brilliant as David is, I didn’t hear much about ok well what does this all mean and what do we do with it..
Alex as always 10/10 keeping the David on his toes, and focusing on the harder questions.

But back to the meaning of it, I have feeling it’s (whatever it is) not going to be that complicated. Like the Pyramids.. once we gain concrete confirmation on the How and Why, I bet it will be like “oh, that’s neat..” and move on, just like everything else we consider absurd.
 
#20
Nargh. I feel like Alex is spinning off lately stuck on unproven beliefs about Josephus.
For some reason, my brothers in America seem stuck on the whole World Order thing despite the following facts.
1. There has been ZERO new legislation from any nation that I know of that's creating a one-world government pre or POST Covid.
2. Most people just want to get back to normal after the pandemic. Most governments (the US is the worst) have been providing money to their people to KEEP their businesses afloat and people from falling into abject poverty. IF there was this push, then they wouldn't be helping out to keep the old system running.
3. There's ZERO evidence that Josephus was actually a roman plant or that Christianity was a PSI-OP. I'm not a Christian, and while the idea is compelling, it's still just abject guesswork.
How do I know this?
Because we keep making the same mistakes.
Mistake #1: Hanlon's Razor is in play here. Alex keeps assuming some kind of cabal of some sort that has been purposefully doing all this stuff. The REAL problem are the cracks in capitalism that allow the abuse of the system. But instead of looking at the possibility of creating better safeguards through creating a social democracy, the problem COULDNT be capitalism could it? Ask the Icelanders what they did when the last big crash happened. They jailed the bankers who took the country into ruin. How many bankers did America OR Canada for that matter jail? None.
The problem isn't some deep down evil cabal who wants to rule the world from their front porch. The problems are that capitalism needs to be properly regulated.
Mistake #2. Related to the above mistake. Nobody at the top WANTS a One-World Government. They already control people through the money they are making because of the broken system. Do you think that Bezos wants people to no longer work and depend on a government? OF COURSE NOT. He makes more money employing people cheaply and being able to hook people on a market economy that's specifically an economy that has people look to material items to solve their issues. The wealthy WANT indentured servants. They don't want starving masses they have to feed, clothe, and provide healthcare for. The more you can convince people that government is incompetent, evil, etc... the more you can foist the needs that a government used to have upon corporate capitalist forces. The Nazis knew this. This is why they ran their Fascism through corporate relationships. They made sure their populace worked at a company and could not change jobs. They paid them very little, and scraped up the rest. This is the essence of the right-wing Fascist state.
Mistake #3. Josephus wasn't bound by our understandings of historical accuracy. Most ancient scholars wrote to tell a story. They didn't write NOR DID ANYONE BELIEVE they wrote specific history. We see this all the way up through the middle ages. Geoffrey of Monmouth mixed history with storytelling to add elements in that didn't exist. Never let the facts get in the way of a good story. That was the nature of "historians" until the modern age. And even then...
Mistake #4. Constantine was running a failing society. His choices to make Roman into a Christian empire had nothing to do with controlling people and everything to do with controlling the costs. Before it became a Christian nation, Rome held all gods and goddesses sacrosanct. This means EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK there were holy days. This shut down industry. Shut up commerce. Made it really hard to actually DO anything. Constantine killing his family members had nothing to do about "being a good Christian" and everything to do with being of the age and the world he was in. "Good Christians" raped and pillaged for centuries and even to this modern day. Constantine was a Christian out of economic necessity and nothing else. They had to create a single religion to try to provide clarity to the fading Roman Empire, and there were two possibilities. Mithras who was really popular amongst his soldiers, and this Nazarene named Jesus who the rank and file poor folk loved. He was political to choose Jesus because it made him more popular with the poor and helped stem any uprisings. Strictly political, nothing to do with creating some grand psi-op at the time, as far as any evidence we can find.

I fear that Alex, as brilliant and as clever as you are my friend, you've got your hands on a hammer, and you're going to treat every problem like a nail. Step back a bit and see there are very real holes in your conclusions. You may be totally right. But there's no way we're there yet.
It's too bad Tom Harpur passed away a couple years back. He would have been the best person for Alex to talk to.
http://www.tomharpur.com/biography/
You are %100 correct!
 
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