I really appreciate you checking Clif out there. If you ever reported any huckster vibes I would increase the grain of salt I take with his content. I get the vibe that he finds meaning/purpose in educating people on woo stuff from his honest personal perspective. So much that if I discovered he was fake or a shill or working an op, I'd be like "bravo! you had me fooled". But I do take it with a grain of salt. Perfect example might be that I'd be less surprised to find out Rogan was taking marching orders from CIA or Military.
ok... quick listen... just bouncing around:
11.30 brain thought after death "proven" -- not true see Dr. Pim van Lommel
24.00 some kind of stuff about why you look diff from yr brother or sister... breathes in the soul thru her breath... energetcically and "magnetically" take on the template -- classic Clif High... explain again that "magnetic" part?
44.10 you don't share heaven with anyone else... no other beings... like a lucid dream... if you shared heaven then others could mess it up -- this doesn't square with the shared death experience #544 William Peters
I could go on and on but I don't want to hate on Clif.
I assume you agree that Clif paints everything in a very matter of fact way, much like David Icke. I like to take the pictures he paints a apply all my what-if's to them. The LDS church believes in 4 places our spirit can go after death - 3 are levels of heaven, and 1 is outter-darkness which they say pretty much nobody goes. Only reason I bring this up is because your response made me take an extra step back. Maybe various "levels" of heaven might not just file people away according to bad/so-so/good - maybe there's difference places. For me personally the idea of going (for a time) to a heaven where I can live out all the built up karma or needs from this life, sound ideal. I don't really want to go to the perfect-beings-all-together-singing place until after I've made peace with my growth/potential/dream/desire/etc.. So perhaps there are many places to go. Perhaps loneliness is just a human emotion.
My beef with the matter-of-fact characters is that they seem to have build their models from such a clear picture that they're unable to incorporate other peoples pictures. Chris Langan for instance - 195 iq - you listen to him talking to Curt Jaimungal with an almost desperate insistence on having "it" figured out so well that it would be a waste of energy to try looking through anyone else's glasses. To which my mind always jump to how funny it would probably sound to someone with a 400 iq.
Clif seems to me to have the most humility of the matter-of-facter's of that woo genre.
BTW one thing I really appreciated about DJ Kardagian was his description of how he pitches new clients for asset management -- he just gives them access to his personal trading account and let's the numbers do the talking.
Clif came on the scene saying that he had a bot that could predict stuff... great... easy to prove or disprove... make it public. better yet, keep it private, hack the markets, make billions and save the planet.
I got some good laughs out of your reaction and response here when I first read it and again now. I assume you'd have a good meter for this area since you have a computer background. That said, I'll try to summarize on the his computer-crystal-ball mumbo jumbo. Supposedly his invention/machine's findings lined up real well with the Bitcoin boom, and sure maybe coincidence on that. He has been clear that he believes his accuracy is something (ballpark don't remember exact) like 70% on any given vague event happening within a 3 week period of where the data points at the vague event happening. I don't track to any of it like a horoscope. Rather I really appreciate the idea, along the lines of Sheldrakes Morphic Field. Clif's whole premise is that humans are psychic and that subtle collective changes in our language can be mapped out preceding major events - so much that the mapping can also be depended on to lead forward toward events. Makes sense to me, but again I'm not saying that means he's solve for it, rather he seems extremely knowledgeable and hasn't yet given me a huckster vibe.
There's a tiny part of me that would want to turn a blind eye if shill/fuckery evidence were to come out on Clif.. But I'm here to grow, so I'd ultimately be just fine and move right on along.
Regarding Kadagian, I thoroughly enjoyed the interview, and I agreed with most all of what was said.
Thank you very much as always
