Hey Eric, Charlie, Vortex, Silence et al
If you have the time, this seemed to be a good summary of the two aspects argued between us here. That of Emergent Behaviour versus Conspiracy Theory.
Eh, not quite; at least not quite where I'm concerned.
My argument/my experience is that there is usually first "emergent behavior" (what I have called "organic"). Also, it's not just behavior. It's also ideology - in fact usually ideology that translates into behavior.
Then conspiracies hijack the emergent behavior in an effort to steer it for their cabal's gain.
I have never denied that there are conspiracies. I have repeatedly stated that I have repeatedly stated that conspiracies exist. I pointed to the invasion of Iraq on false premises as one such. But that was possible only because 9-11 made the American people afraid, angry and seeking revenge and anti-Muslim.
I am a denier of the idea that emergent behavior is created from scratch by conspiracies, which is something that theorists like Charlie think happens all the time. That is not possible because people resist what goes against their values/ideologies. It's way too big of a job.
Charlie thinks that 9-11 was perpetrated by the US govt to cause the emergent behavior that permitted the invasion of Iraq on false premises.
I reject that "theory" because it is not operationally possible for several key reasons. I do not deny that some a-holes would consider such a thing. I mean look what Hitler, Stalin and a host of other supersonic a-holes did. I just reject that it is operationally possible in the US outside of Hollywood. And that said, even Hitler could only do what he did because the German people had been organically primed by their humiliating defeat and abject economic destruction after WW1. Hitler hijacked that sentiment. He didn't create the Nazis and WW2 from scratch. The German people were not humiliated and subjected to economic ruin after WW1 because of a conspiracy. No cabal wanted to create the conditions for Nazis to arise. It just happened because people screw up and are short sighted.
Charlie thinks secret cabals - or cabal - get together and successfully plan how to run the world. Again, I think that some might want to, but that it is operationally impossible because there are too many competing interests, cultures, etc.
I do not reject that children's stories, etc (mentioned in the video) contain somewhat hidden coded messages to transmit cultural values. All of the ancient myths did that. It's a no brainer that people have to be socialized. It would be a schizophrenic mad max world if it wasn't done (which is where western civilization is headed these days because they are attacking those messages and values while importing people with foreign values - I digress).
So I am a hybrid of both of the approaches discussed in the video.
