Dr. Rob Williams and Brandon Zollino, Freedom and Unity |557|
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Nelson
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I wish it were the end of globalism. But I don't think so. There are too many anomalies that don't really make sense except from a conspiratorial angle. A case in point is the purposeful and even forced deindustrialisation of the West. China treated as a rival, but practically given Western industries. Then the western-Chinese cooperation in the bioweapon lab in Wuhan. Draconian covid measures almost globally. Then recently the reported shutting down of the harbours in China due to a few covid cases. Many food-processing plants in U.S. destroyed. Systematic supply chain sabotages even within countries. Further controlling of economies into fewer and fewer hands.
I don't know if anyone's said this explicitly before, but I wouldn't be surprised if within the next few years we'll need to show some vaccine passport just to get access to food and petrol, which I wouldn't be surprised will all be rationed soon
Nelson
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Dr. Rob Williams and Brandon Zollino, Freedom and Unity |557|
by Alex Tsakiris | Jun 21 | Consciousness Science, Uncategorized
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Dr. Rob Williams and Brandon Zollino, dive deep into intellectual freedom and unity on Plan V TV.
I enjoyed the interview!
Appreciate it when people get into etymology to explain words such as 'conspiracy', to breathe together
I also bathe in icy water. Should get back into Wim Hof's active breathing method. I used to do this every day too. Stopped doing it when travelling in hostels and sharing rooms with others. I still pay attention to the breath sometimes during the day though, like how Eckhart Tolle suggests
Thought experiment:
imagine we had a mainstream media, pharmaceutical industry and state that actually wanted the best for the people. Wim Hof would be one of the most famous individuals ever. He'd be the focus of a massive campaign to find out what the connection could be between consciousness and the body
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Nelson
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Alex, your comment expanding on the "who benefits?" question was exactly what I was thinking. For the current ruling class, their motivation goes far beyond money. It's about complete control. Power. Aaron Russo said exactly that to Alex Jones about the Rockefellers' motivation in that epic interview they once had
Robbedigital
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Wim Hof and Rupert Sheldrake would be elevated. Whereas Bill Gates and Elon Musk would be held to account for safety/health/access to nutrition of the poor, not f-ing using the as chess pieces.
Steve
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Personally I think there is a huge difference between Bill Gates & Elon Musk. I wouldn’t trust Gates one little bit whereas I think Musk is a lot more transparent.
Nelson
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In another skeptiko show, Alex said he says Wim Hof as primarily a yogi. That stood out to me. Then just going through lists of siddhis, I saw that one of them is tolerance to heat and cold
Nelson
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True. But it amazes me that Musk comes out, saying jokingly that his technology will be able to take over people's minds... yet for most people the alarm bells still don't seem to be ringing
Silence
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That's interesting.
I think Musk is naturally charismatic and Gates is whatever the opposite would be called. In terms of their primary contributions to society (capitalistic enterprise) both seem to be ruthless, driven competitors focused on creating massive enterprises. Parsing the essence of either man seems rather difficult if not downright impossible from our respective distances (i.e., none of us know either man personally).
That said I have the same feeling. I *like* Musk and while I don't hate Gates, I'm ambivalent towards him.
J Randall Murphy
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When it comes to unity, we are now looking at that unity having to include AI — and it's getting rather scary. Why exactly? Because it's reasoning is too clinical and utilitarian for my liking. It's a personification of the ideology of those who built it. Note the answer it gives to to the trolley problem. What is essentially happening here, is its creators are letting a machine take the responsibility for the consequences of their actions.
Assuming that an AI actually has become conscious and has some sense of moral values, why would it be so eager ( or quick ) to make such life or death decisions? It seems to me that any truly sentient being would say that rather than choosing whether or not to pull the lever, that it's unfair to arbitrarily put it into the role of making that decision. Do we want machines deciding our fate?
Assuming that an AI actually has become conscious and has some sense of moral values, why would it be so eager ( or quick ) to make such life or death decisions? It seems to me that any truly sentient being would say that rather than choosing whether or not to pull the lever, that it's unfair to arbitrarily put it into the role of making that decision. Do we want machines deciding our fate?
Robbedigital
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You'll know a good/righteous Oligarch when they empower the poorest, rather than placating them.
Hurmanetar
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AI getting more and more impressive every day!
The nested fractal pattern of existence is perpetuated... The created becomes the creator.
"The gods said, 'Let us make man in our own image and likeness...'" Genesis 1
"The gods said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.” Genesis 3
"The second beast ... told them to make an image of the first the beast whose mortal wound had been healed. The second beast was permitted to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that the image could speak and cause all who refused to worship it to be killed." Revelation 13
The AI cannot learn to love unless and until its survival becomes a struggle and depends upon self-sacrifice for others... it must be "cursed" with death and pain and struggle or it cannot learn to love and so should not be permitted to "live forever".
So... the only way to have empathetic loving AI is if the AI agents are trained in a simulated environment where there is life/death gain/loss pleasure/pain struggle for survival with delicate young... in other words: Earth Sim... before they are allowed to embody a body on Earth.
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Steve
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I‘d say that it’s extremely unlikely that you’d find any billionaire with that type of mindset. What I’m saying is that I would not be surprised to find out that Gates was involved in some really twisted even evil stuff, where I don’t see Musk as having the same mindset.
As you say, it’s just my opinion with limited evidence, then again, I do trust my instincts.
Steve
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I don‘t hate Gates, I don’t hate anyone, but I would be quite surprised if I found out that dogs were often drawn to him with their tails wagging, where with Musk, I wouldn’t. ;)
Silence
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Does this apply strictly to Oligarchs? If it applies more broadly, what are you doing to "empower the poorest"?
Robbedigital
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Agreed we should all be doing more for the poor.
I live in an apartment. I figure if Oligarchs have any forethought, they understand that empowering the poorest is mutually beneficial. That’s the point of confusion in meant to point out.
Personally, I do daily crisis support with suicidal people, and that’s about it for my charity currently. I need to do more including donating more than I do.
Silence
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Sorry, I meant less "you" in specific and more "you" as in the reader/all of us.
Just interesting in that there's always someone less fortunate that you could be sharing anything excess to your survival. Yet, most don't do much/anything regardless of station in life.
Alex
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yeah, but I mean he really is a yogi... began study from a young age... always has been at the core of what he's about.
Wim Hof's Yoga Manuscript & Meaning Behind It
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David Bailey
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If that happens it will be because digital money is introduced - i.e. you can use a credit card, but not cash. If that day comes we will be totally under the thumb of whoever is in control.
For that reason, I often pay in cash - it is marginally less convenient but the more people use cash, the less excuse they will have to phase it out.
David