Mark Gober, Great Reset, Right Action |581|

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Mark Gober, Great Reset, Right Action |581|
by Alex Tsakiris | Feb 7 | Spirituality
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Author Mark Gober… great reset… scary stuff… how does it look from a non-dual perspective… does evil matter?
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Awesome show! Heavy follower of Mark. Will have to read the book (read his other titles).

Some really great gems in there. “The weaponization of compassion” was one that jumped out at me.

I’m short on time to post much, but do plan to give this one a second listen to over the next day or two since it was packed with great concepts.
 
This one really got me thinking, mostly positive things too. And I appreciated Alex playing devil's advocate for the "ends justify means" argument (and Mark did a great job rebuffing that).

Here's another devil's advocate position that comes up for me: what's so bad about a societal reset more generally? What's our rush to go back to pretending everything was fine before? If Kissinger and (by extension) Klaus are a product of good old 'merican apple pie ... if mkultra, endless war, failing education, regulatory capture by Pfizer + Monsanto, kids doped up on drugs for "ADHD" + "chemical imbalances" were the net result of our pesticide-laden GMO American apple pie, then why split hairs over the lesser evil system of governance? Sometimes both teams just suck and the enemy of my enemy is also my enemy and I can be cheering for them both to lose.

This line of thinking does two things for me, 1) immediately eliminates the pain of loss and mourning for the old world that never existed 2) makes me feel like maybe all is right in the world after all, that this place we find ourselves was inevitable given the above, and that Klaus isn't the only person who can capitalize on this crises to effect change - we all can.
 
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This one really got me thinking, mostly positive things too. And I appreciated Alex playing devil's advocate for the "ends justify means" argument (and Mark did a great job rebuffing that).

Here's another devil's advocate position that comes up for me: what's so bad about a societal reset more generally? What's our rush to go back to pretending everything was fine before? If Kissinger and (by extension) Klaus are a product of good old 'merican apple pie ... if mkultra, endless war, failing education, regulatory capture by Pfizer + Monsanto, kids doped up on drugs for "ADHD" + "chemical imbalances" were the net result of our pesticide-laden GMO American apple pie, then why split hairs over the lesser evil system of governance? Sometimes both teams just suck and the enemy of my enemy is also my enemy and I can be cheering for them both to lose.

This line of thinking does two things for me, 1) immediately eliminates the pain of loss and mourning for the old world that never existed 2) makes me feel like maybe all is right in the world after all, that this place we find ourselves was inevitable given the above, and that Klaus isn't the only person who can capitalize on this crises to effect change - we all can.
I fully disagree because,
We have ‘no true Scotsman’ in regard to any system of governance.
I don’t care if it’s Communism or Democracy if we find a way to eliminate corruption. Democracy just seems like it has the most potential in that regard. Whereas it seems like you’re advocating that we forget about what we were hoping for all along. I truly hope we find a miracle. And by miracle I mean something Donald Trump would be afraid to stand in the same room with. Not just some Rich Oligarchs patting themselves on the back for outmatching an undereducated undernourished slave class. They’re pathetic and spiritually shriveled.
 
I fully disagree because,
We have ‘no true Scotsman’ in regard to any system of governance.
I don’t care if it’s Communism or Democracy if we find a way to eliminate corruption. Democracy just seems like it has the most potential in that regard. Whereas it seems like you’re advocating that we forget about what we were hoping for all along.

Allow me to clarify my ramblings. I wasn"t advocating for or against any particular system of governance. I'm saying the old thing is irreparably damaged to the point it hasn't resembled the values we project upon it for a long while. Im also implying that a thing so broken (ie. corrupt) can not be remedied by internal processes. By all means, let's consider capitalism, democracy and liberty a good starting point for what must come next.
 
Allow me to clarify my ramblings. I wasn"t advocating for or against any particular system of governance. I'm saying the old thing is irreparably damaged to the point it hasn't resembled the values we project upon it for a long while. Im also implying that a thing so broken (ie. corrupt) can not be remedied by internal processes. By all means, let's consider capitalism, democracy and liberty a good starting point for what must come next.

The way I look at this, we are getting a great reset whether we like it or not. The form that reset takes may be quite different from what Klaus Schwab and his cronies envision. I hope it is. There is a battle going on, a WWIII that has already started. It is an information war, so it isn't as obvious as a kinetic war. There are real casualties already, so people are being killed and injured as part of the hostilities. The form the reset takes will be determined by the winning faction in this war.

The Schwab faction, like Hitler before him, has in mind a kind of Socialist utopia, imposed by force. The people he and his allies want to force into the Socialist system are utilizing extraordinarily corrupt means to achieve their goal. If for no other reason, I am implacably opposed to them. Schwab's allies are sprinkled throughout the world, in seemingly every country. It cannot be described as a "German problem" or an American one, or any other country, because the cohort responsible are so well-distrubuted throughout the world. That said, many (but not all) of the major players are in America: Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg, George Soros, etc.

The American politicians do not seem to have much influence in this reset. They are being carried along with it like surfers on a wave. They are responsible for their individual acts of corruption but not the overall scheme. The players are important because one of the things that makes this war so difficult is that none of the parties have openly declared hostilities and many of the soldiers either don't realize they are in a war or they are well-hidden. The point of this is that any conversation about winners and losers should be able to define each group.

The Schwab faction are the globalists/Nazis/Fascists/communists/socialists. The other faction is pretty much everyone else, the would be slaves to the system the globalists want to impose. Unfortunately, while the globalists know what they are trying to achieve and actively wargame strategies for achieving those goals, many on the receiving end of their efforts have no idea they face an existential threat and need to defend themselves.

This is the context that comes to mind when I read your comment about the great reset and whether it wouldn't be "so bad". The mere fact that globalists are trying to force a great reset on the world will cause it to happen, either because they succeed or because they fail. The question is what form will the great reset take after the dust has settled.

I pray that the globalists will lose this war in every way possible. If they want something so badly that they are willing to lie, to corrupt, and even to kill (think "Pfizer" or color revolutions), then they can never be allowed to hold power anywhere. They are too dangerous and morally bereft to be trusted. That means that their would-be victims must somehow defend themselves. If they do so successfully, they will have to eliminate the current corrupt system. The current system, by the way, started well but is now so corrupt that it bears little resemblance to its original or intended form.

The issues at play are not partisan politics. In America today, the term "partisan" in the Democrat/Republican, Liberal/Conservative sense of those words, is meaningless. There is an illusionof parties with differing ideologies, and that may be true at the consumer level, but the politicians themselves are all essentially interchangeable. For the globalists to fail, our entire system of governance may have to change, if for no other reason but to sweep out corruption and to prevent it from taking root again.

Ironically, the Achilles heel of Democracy is tolerance. Evil people used that concept as a wedge to take over key institutions, which they then remolded into the intolerant and dangerous institutions we see today. The idea of banned political parties and ideologies is antithetical to Democracy, and I don't much like it myself, but at the same time it is unwise to ignore clear danger signs. The Germans banned the Nazi party after WWII because it was "too dangerous". In its place, we got globalism, an everted form of national socialism. Banning doesn't work.

To solve this problem, creative people are going to have to figure out how to retain the ideals of democracy, and maybe even some of the ideals of socialism, without creating the existential threats faced by the world today. This may be much more difficult than taking over the world with globalism, or it could be as easy as this: "do unto your neighbor as you would have him do unto you."
 
Allow me to clarify my ramblings. I wasn"t advocating for or against any particular system of governance. I'm saying the old thing is irreparably damaged to the point it hasn't resembled the values we project upon it for a long while. Im also implying that a thing so broken (ie. corrupt) can not be remedied by internal processes. By all means, let's consider capitalism, democracy and liberty a good starting point for what must come next.
You were on point and it was a great devils advocate. I should have specified I was disagreeing with the DA, not your assessment.
my point is that even though many of us have been duped over and over by psychopaths we need to maintain hope and optimism toward the human family so that if we’re lucky enough to be alive when a miracle comes we’re willing to receive it. And that involves myself admitting how hard and how many times I’ve been duped. F those guys.
 
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The Schwab faction are the globalists/Nazis/Fascists/communists/socialists. The other faction is pretty much everyone else, the would be slaves to the system the globalists want to impose.

I agree with all things you said and you said them well. Only thing I'd add is to the above quote - to the extent that the US deep state is a distinct faction here, there is no sense in "everyone else" aligning with it.
 
The justification for centralized control of the population is this: with our technology we have created an artificially soft environment with cheap energy so the harshness of mother nature and tribal wars are no longer available to shape the body/mind of the human being and to keep us grounded in mortal serious problems. Technology always provides a positive and a negative. The positives are pretty obvious. Some negatives are obvious if you go to McDonalds or Walmart at midnight, inner cities, urban sprawl, isolation, lack of community, lack of purpose, etc... all the things Ted Kaczynski and other luddites have been bitching about.

When man took the fruit of knowledge of good/evil he was cast out of the soft environment into a harsh environment for a reason. He was prohibited from getting back in to take from the tree of life (free energy) for a reason. The harsh environment is necessary for the individual to "know" and confront the good and evil in his own heart and is also necessary to prevent natural genetic devolution. But in the age of CRISPR and mRNA vaccines who needs mother nature to prevent genetic devolution? Who will be permitted to augment their progeny with superhuman genes? Who will be forced wittingly or unwittingly to accept a genetic alteration that domesticates or sterilizes them instead?

If earth is a soul school, technology just gave us Chat GPT and we're all cheating like mad.

“The line separating good and evil passes not through states, nor between classes, nor between political parties either -- but right through every human heart -- and through all human hearts. This line shifts. Inside us, it oscillates with the years. And even within hearts overwhelmed by evil, one small bridgehead of good is retained.” -Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago 1918–1956

If we are given free/cheap energy without having earned it in the harsh environment we destroy ourselves or make ourselves domesticated.
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Since we have created an artificial environment we have to have artificial controls on the population. The national parks say "don't feed the wildlife" because they will become dependent. But once an animal is domesticated and dependent - artificially soft environment - you have to keep them on the dole and control their reproduction if you want them to be useful for anything.

Now personally, the notion my offspring would become domesticated and dependent is disgusting to me... I want my branch of humanity to be more like that wolf at the top than the chihuahua in a pink purse... but from the elite's perspective: that chihuahua doesn't seem to mind riding along in the pink purse. He owns nothing and is happy.

But since some humans are partially domesticated I think the elites have decided that for those who are willing to put up with it, let's finish the process... they will "eat ze bugs" and "own nothing and be happy".

Well of course there are many who will choose not to put up with it and there will always be a way out for us... it will be increasingly difficult to find a way out but that is the benefit of a harsh environment: only those with the will and fitness to make it will make it.

The problem I see is that those of us who don't want to be domesticated are stuck in a reaction to the elites instead of recognizing some of the reasons behind their plans and matching them with a better plan. Kudos to Jordan Peterson for at least attempting to lay out a better plan:

But I don't hear Jordan addressing some of the problems that the tyrannical elites have correctly identified - the detrimental impacts of cheap energy.

Yes we know CO2 induced anthropogenic global warming is a hoax, but for the elites it is a "noble lie"... the simplest way to make energy more expensive in attempt to reintroduce some harshness to the environment so that those at the bottom will continue to fall off the bottom.

I love the idea of "15-minute cities" - pedestrian friendly thriving town centers instead of sprawling metroplexes - but hate the idea that I would be prohibited from leaving them whenever I choose.

I think the elites want to create a division in humanity. They want to put down and/or enslave/domesticate those who are already down. They don't want to make an effort to lift up or improve their fellow humans. They figure that those who want to improve themselves and their line will struggle and find a way to do so. They want to give those they perceive to be lesser humans the rope to hang themselves (and make a profit off the rope). They see themselves as a necessary replacement for the harshness of mother nature.

The elites are in some sense parasites... but what is the biological adaptation to parasites? Sex. Male/female recombining genes every generation giving the parasites a moving target and never letting them get the upper hand and I think we can agree this was a positive development... What would the modern social analog be to deal with a parasitic elite?

It's like that Chinese koan where one bad thing happens and everyone is like, "that's too bad!" but the man says, " maybe good, maybe bad," and then a good thing happens, and the man says, "maybe good, maybe bad", and so on... it is a perpetual oscillation and all we can really say is... this is interesting!
 
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Good God, Andrew P, Hurnanetar and the rest of you all… That is mind feeding goods to ponder and discuss for hours… I’m working my tail off for the next few days but can’t wait to wade into this discussion with you all more in the next few days.
 
The way I look at this, we are getting a great reset whether we like it or not.

IDK... seems like overreach... seems like buying into their BS.

There is a battle going on, a WWIII that has already started.

Do you really think this is on par with WW2?

This is a Kissinger/Pinochet, operation condor thing. it's ww3 if you live in any of those countries, but if you live in 'merica it's business as usual

it could be as easy as this: "do unto your neighbor as you would have him do unto you."

Why shift our strategy now? it's work so well in getting us here
 
my point is that even though many of us have been duped over and over by psychopaths we need to maintain hope and optimism toward the human family so that if we’re lucky enough to be alive when a miracle comes we’re willing to receive it. And that involves myself admitting how hard and how many times I’ve been duped. F those guys.

Great point. I totally agree. there's no other option. speaking of World War II... we can all look back at those people in those rallies at Nuremberg and imagine what it would be like if they had made the kind basic Choice you're talking about. I think you're spot on. I think it really is that simple.
 
The justification for centralized control of the population is this: with our technology we have created an artificially soft environment with cheap energy so the harshness of mother nature and tribal wars are no longer available to shape the body/mind of the human being and to keep us grounded in mortal serious problems.

I can't relate to this. the voice in my head that tells me this kind of stuff sounds exactly like the voice from 40 years ago... and I suspect like the voice from 400 years ago. part of their game is to insist that we're at a special place and at a special time. what does the null hypothesis to this claim look like?

Kudos to Jordan Peterson for at least attempting to lay out a better plan:

IMO, his silliness about gay parents exposes the House of Cards he's built on his baby Jesus centered plan.

-- love the Solzhenitsyn quotation!
 
I can't relate to this. the voice in my head that tells me this kind of stuff sounds exactly like the voice from 40 years ago... and I suspect like the voice from 400 years ago. part of their game is to insist that we're at a special place and at a special time. what does the null hypothesis to this claim look like?

(To be clear I'm not saying I WANT centralized population control... just making the case for it to understand it which I believe is the first step to fighting it; the globalists have IMO correctly identified some problems and they are providing their solution to it while we cannot even acknowledge the problems exists - much less provide a solution)

You don't see the problems that arise when there isn't a harsh environment?

What is special about our current time and place (at least relative to the last 12,000 years that we know of) is that we have cheap energy, we've solved most of the basic problems of existence, we're building robots that supersede many of our prior functions, we can edit our own genome, we have globally interdependent supply chains, we have the planet rigged for demolition, and a great many people have been led to believe there is nothing more to existence than this one material life. "It's a long way down when your head is in the clouds."
 
IDK... seems like overreach... seems like buying into their BS.

Do you really think this is on par with WW2?

In some ways, yes, though it might be more appropriate to compare to the years before open hostilities broke out. The reason I don't make that comparison is that an information war can be fought and lost without ever getting to the point where buildings are bombed into rubble. The end result however, total dominance of a foreign government, can be achieved. In our case, I think it has already been achieved in the US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and other "democratic" countries.

As far as casualties and outright violence are concerned, I see two categories of harm that have already happened. The first is the result of riot violence. Dozens of people were murdered and billions of dollars worth of property damage were caused by the 2020 Antifa/BLM "peaceful protests" (riots). As far as I can tell those riots and the "protests" that preceded them are no different from anything the Nazi brown shirts or the Chinese Red Guard did in the months and years leading up to socialist revolutions in their countries. In China's case, it was more about reinforcing power than taking it, because their Red Guard became active about 20 years after their initial communist power grab.

The second category of violence is related to the fake pandemic, lockdowns, and dangerous vaccines. That is our modern Holocaust. The number of people thought to have been killed by the fake vaccines is already on par with US war dead from Viet Nam. However, those numbers are based on reporting mechanisms that suppressed data from being entered into the system. When it did get in, other efforts to censor the data reclassified it so it wouldn't be counted. I suspect the true numbers may already be as high as the number killed or injured during the Nazi holocaust. Like every other great crime against humanity, we will never know the true numbers. For that reason, they will always be debated.

My guess is that the minimum worldwide number of people killed by the lockdown and fake vaccine (discounting the possibility that covid itself was a bioweapon) is around 50,000. The number of injuries is likely around 1.5 million, using existing reports that have managed to pass through all the many filters designed to prevent these things from getting counted. Athletes alone account for around 1,100 deaths. With all this in mind, I wouldn't be surprised if the real numbers are more like 2-3 million killed by the vaccines/lockdown and another 10,000,000 injured. Those numbers are comparable to a war, even if they aren't accompanied by the kind of physical damage to infrastructure that we associate with war.

That said, there is damage to physical infrastructure. There are plenty of reports, over 10,000, of food processing plants being destroyed due to arson attacks. This is happening in other countries as well. There are inner cities devastated by riot damage. Patriotic symbols, such as statues, have been destroyed. Our military has been debilitated thanks to vaccine mandates that pushed qualified members out of the service and damage to those who remained. On top of that, we have things like the destruction of the NordStream 2 pipeline. How is that not an act of war? It is very similar to the kinds of things done during WWII as the UK defended themselves against Germany. Except in this case, it is the US that seems to have initiated hostilities.

And this doesn't count the targeted assassinations of world leaders, particularly in Africa, that happened in the early days of the fake pandemic.

We may not have bombers leveling cities but we seem to have almost everything else.
 
There are plenty of reports, over 10,000, of food processing plants being destroyed due to arson attacks.

What is the source of this? I don't mean who repeated the rumor. Who analyzed what data to justify this statement? Who counted the reports of arson at food processing plants?


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What is the source of this? I don't mean who repeated the rumor. Who analyzed what data to justify this statement? Who counted the reports of arson at food processing plants?


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Here is one such report. I don't know offhand, or have the time to locate, the map I saw with around 10,000 of these disasters. This list has about 1,000 reports. Keep in mind, this doc is old. The spate of damaged food processing plants didn't stop after it was published.
 
Why do you say it was a fake pandemic?

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Because covid-19 was never as dangerous as it was purported to be. Regardless, it was portrayed as such a serious threat that totalitarian and dangerous emergency measures were invoked. One set of emergency measures that was particularly dangerous but poorly justified, were mail-in ballots, ballot drop boxes, and other related measures designed to allow election fraud. The result of that is unelected members of government taking more control, vaccine mandates, etc.

Covid-19 appears to be a real virus that was created in a lab in China with financial and technical support from the US. The way deaths were reported significantly exaggerated covid deaths. The suppression of successful and safe treatments increased the harm caused by covid. Dangerous treatments, like remdesivir, ventilators, and fake vaccines caused significant harm. Propaganda pushed the narrative that covid is deadly, spreads fast, cannot be stopped by anything beyond the known dangerous treatments suggested by the CDC. The government and media suppressed all information to the contrary, making it look like there was universal medical consensus behind their propaganda. There wasn't. We know this now thanks to the Twitter files and later admissions from officials and published journal articles on the subject.
 
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