Philip Fairbanks, From Scientology to Epstein |534|

[Alex]

Philip Fairbanks, From Scientology to Epstein |534|
by Alex Tsakiris | Jan 4 | Skepticism
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Philip Fairbanks has spent 15 years following the path of MKUltra and the shadow gov.

 

[Mishelle]

Interesting interview, I had not heard of Fairbanks before, thanks for the intro, already shared! :)

The power behind these ‘religious’ institutions, old or new, is nearly unfathomable to me. As for the role of the government/military/alphabet agencies I’m sure they have no problem at all justifying whatever behavior they can fathom. “Better the devil we know rather than the devil we don’t know.” And it is fascinating to see what these cults are looking for and gathering around. It feeds needs of the leader and the follower, it does seem like a feedback loop, the energy of the crowd feeds the cultish nature of the group hierarchy, even when the leaders are more decentralized, both in time and space.

 

[Hurmanetar]

I thought this was Theo Von at first! Enjoyed Philip very much in this interview and don't have much to say as I can't disagree with it. Edit: okay I guess I had more to say than I thought.

Question at the end: what do we make of the government's involvement in evil?

In short, this is a farm. The state is the visible tip of the ice berg of the power structures that run this farm. Many on the farm being sheep themselves do their best to care for the sheep. Some enjoy eating a humanely slaughtered sheep every now and then. Others like to laugh about how stupid the sheep are and pick on them and some like to screw the sheep or torture the sheep for fun.

Sometimes they mock the sheep...

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1478863535371337733

In one sense, people are animals in various stages of domestication and the predator class just like any farmer would like to make their flock more manageable and pet-like. Why are they trying to get us to stop eating meat? Is it really because of CO2 or are we merely being de-clawed and turned into herbivores? Does a chihuahua care that he isn't as powerful as his wolf-like ancestors? As long as someone puts food in the bowl, and pats him on the head, he doesn't care. Some of us see this domestication process happening and resent the idea that we or our offspring would be reduced from fearsome wild free predator to weak and humble pet.

Those in power are of course interested in how to have more power, and some have no limits of what they are willing to do to get more of it, so they are also interested in things like, mind control, mass marketing, torturing people into dissociated states, the extraction of emotional energy from a subject with intent to affect physical reality (psychokinesis or poltergeist activity on demand), and life extension technology to live forever.

If I had to guess I'd say they don't see themselves as evil any more than they see a lion as evil for playing with a mouse before eating it. The world is built on pain with countless deaths and struggles resulting in the present state, so from the world builder's perspective is it evil to cause pain and loss?

Competing with the predatory perspective which steals the future of the weak and hands it to presently powerful, is the empathetic perspective which recognizes that death must come and with it all is lost, so the only way to have power and influence over the future is to care for the young and train them up to build a world that likewise cares for the future and wants to sacrifice self to build it up for others to enjoy.

Reptile babies don't require care so reptiles are predators without any development of empathy. Mammal babies require a lot of care and human babies require the most, so we are forced to care about the future and sacrifice ourselves for our species to carry on into the future. This started a feedback loop in which increased intelligence was required to plan for the future and solve problems. Increased intelligence made our heads bigger and our development period longer requiring even more planning for the future. Now we have become the most intelligent and most empathetic creatures on the planet with the most helpless babies on the planet and yet we are still also predators although we are usually kinder to our prey than most other predators, caring for them, providing them all their needs, and giving them a quick painless death.

Can a world be built that is not built on pain and death? Without these, what drives us to strive for the future of the young? And without such a struggle sacrificing ourselves for others in the face of forces wishing to destroy our offspring, good and evil has lost its meaning. The knowledge of good and evil are inextricably tied to death and birth. When they ate the fruit, they would die, so the woman was renamed "Eve" the mother of all the living. Birth/death/good/evil, package deal. And they were cut off from the Tree of Life... now why was that? Predator class closing the door to keep the plebs from joining them? History and reality is a fractal, so maybe...

 

[Alex]

The power behind these ‘religious’ institutions, old or new, is nearly unfathomable to me.

agreed. fully processing religion as an Op is head spinning.

 

[Mishelle]

This clip has made the rounds but I’ll repost it anyway since this is a ’sensitive’ issue that does make me wonder how/if Fairbanks has addressed it?

https://brandnewtube.com/watch/mari...-s-victims-names-the-jew_uAqWvrR2FB9EMcm.html

 

[Hurmanetar]

Looking at the gospels through the lens of psyop, this certainly puts a new spin on the sheep and goat business at the end of the age... Who wants to be a good sheep and who wants to be a rebellious hard headed goat right now?

 

[Mishelle]

I thought this was Theo Von at first! Enjoyed Philip very much in this interview and don't have much to say as I can't disagree with it. Edit: okay I guess I had more to say than I thought.

Can a world be built that is not built on pain and death? Without these, what drives us to strive for the future of the young? And without such a struggle sacrificing ourselves for others in the face of forces wishing to destroy our offspring, good and evil has lost its meaning. The knowledge of good and evil are inextricably tied to death and birth. When they ate the fruit, they would die, so the woman was renamed "Eve" the mother of all the living. Birth/death/good/evil, package deal. And they were cut off from the Tree of Life... now why was that? Predator class closing the door to keep the plebs from joining them? History and reality is a fractal, so maybe...

I often have a failure of imagination when trying to get into the mind of the predator class. Certainly some of their own children must also rebel from their programming, no? What happens when they ‘wake up’ to the fact that their privileged positions come not from higher virtues, as their ancestors like to claim, but from murder, pillage, thieving and constant discord? Would you still be motivated to continue such a lineage? What happens to the ’sheep’ born amongst them?
I suppose they get just as easily used, their compassionate ideas on creating a better world twisted in ‘compromise’ in order to continue to serve the masters and give them some pats on the backs, maybe a few awards, like the awards given to Fauci by all kinds of organizations, including the one of RFK Jr.’s sister! (Just check out his wiki page, disgusting.)

 

[Hurmanetar]

This clip has made the rounds but I’ll repost it anyway since this is a ’sensitive’ issue that does make me wonder how/if Fairbanks has addressed it?

https://brandnewtube.com/watch/mari...-s-victims-names-the-jew_uAqWvrR2FB9EMcm.html

Not surprising. The Jewish scriptures contain a lot of instances where they committed genocide against their neighboring tribes or took them in as slaves. King Saul was commanded to slaughter all... men women children, even all the livestock. He kept some of the livestock and was severely chastised for even that. They are "the chosen people" and other races are tainted. A few neighboring tribes were not wiped out and were permitted to continue existing just so that the Israelites would have somebody to make war against so that they wouldn't lose their military edge.

 

[Hurmanetar]

I often have a failure of imagination when trying to get into the mind of the predator class. Certainly some of their own children must also rebel from their programming, no? What happens when they ‘wake up’ to the fact that their privileged positions come not from higher virtues, as their ancestors like to claim, but from murder, pillage, thieving and constant discord? Would you still be motivated to continue such a lineage? What happens to the ’sheep’ born amongst them?
I suppose they get just as easily used, their compassionate ideas on creating a better world twisted in ‘compromise’ in order to continue to serve the masters and give them some pats on the backs, maybe a few awards, like the awards given to Fauci by all kinds of organizations, including the one of RFK Jr.’s sister! (Just check out his wiki page, disgusting.)

I've been trying to understand their thinking as well...

Tangentially related... The Sneetches! Love reading this book to my son:

 

[Robbedigital]

I often have a failure of imagination when trying to get into the mind of the predator class. Certainly some of their own children must also rebel from their programming, no? What happens when they ‘wake up’ to the fact that their privileged positions come not from higher virtues, as their ancestors like to claim, but from murder, pillage, thieving and constant discord? Would you still be motivated to continue such a lineage?

I've been trying to understand their thinking as well...

This is my specialty - placing myself in others shoes to understand.

Off the top of my head, the easiest way to truly understand it would probably be to use The Matrix movie as example. But imagine the Predator class believe it doesn't really matter how many of their peers die in the Matrix die because that's not their real body because their real body is asleep and plugged to The Matrix Machine. So they only need to respect the other people they encounter who are playing the game the same way their playing it.
Many religions view non-members in this way too. Whereas, the US constitution includes the inspirational distinctive ideal of viewing every other human as created equal and with innately equal level of rights. I(/we) believe this inspiration is tied to there being meaning attached to how we treat people in this life.
The reality is that we humans are not capable of truly looking at others as our equal, so the inspiration is that we would establish the ideal and let it be our guiding force.. So now if you imagine the contrast between those two views you can see how the Predator Class can totally look at their prey as no-harm-no-foul because the "real you" is asleep, hooked up to the matrix, and stupid enough to play along with their games.
The problem we (who believe in the divine inspiration of aiming to see-other-as-equals) have is that we become hypnotized by the Predator Class's machinations, and we're able to be fooled into playing their game against them instead of just insisting on our right to live what we know to to be right. It's all hypnotism, tricks, distractions, and swindles.

 

[Mishelle]

This is my specialty - placing myself in others shoes to understand.

Off the top of my head, the easiest way to truly understand it would probably be to use The Matrix movie as example. But imagine the Predator class believe it doesn't really matter how many of their peers die in the Matrix die because that's not their real body because their real body is asleep and plugged to The Matrix Machine. So they only need to respect the other people they encounter who are playing the game the same way their playing it.
Many religions view non-members in this way too. Whereas, the US constitution includes the inspirational distinctive ideal of viewing every other human as created equal and with innately equal level of rights. I(/we) believe this inspiration is tied to there being meaning attached to how we treat people in this life.
The reality is that we humans are not capable of truly looking at others as our equal, so the inspiration is that we would establish the ideal and let it be our guiding force.. So now if you imagine the contrast between those two views you can see how the Predator Class can totally look at their prey as no-harm-no-foul because the "real you" is asleep, hooked up to the matrix, and stupid enough to play along with their games.
The problem we (who believe in the divine inspiration of aiming to see-other-as-equals) have is that we become hypnotized by the Predator Class's machinations, and we're able to be fooled into playing their game against them instead of just insisting on our right to live what we know to to be right. It's all hypnotism, tricks, distractions, and swindles.

Interesting! But, I feel there was quite a leap there. I have no need for the predator class to consider me, or anyone else, as an equal. Where is the simpler motivation to not treat people as lab rats? That seems like a first step.

 

[Hurmanetar]

Interesting! But, I feel there was quite a leap there. I have no need for the predator class to consider me, or anyone else, as an equal. Where is the simpler motivation to not treat people as lab rats? That seems like a first step.

The innate desire to destroy is every bit as present in us all as the desire to create and build up. Children have to be disciplined (with threat of pain and loss) to reduce the destructive tendencies and cultivate the creative tendencies. When I play with blocks with my 2 year old son, destruction is part of the fun. Sometimes we agree upon the time for destruction and sometimes our wills are in conflict. This is the basic fractal pattern of all creation: old and young at times agreeing and at times disagreeing upon creation and destruction. A person and a soul are structures too. There is the spirit of a grinning 2-year-old boy out there that wants to scatter your soul's blocks across the universe. The objection to this comparison is that blocks are mere play and are not serious. What is serious? Pain and threat of loss make things serious. Seriousness adds rigidity to structure. Without the pain and destruction in harsh mother nature or predation nothing is serious and structure dissolves to the gooey inconsistency of cloud cuckoo land. So the predator with human level consciousness might consider him or herself merely a necessary instrument of pain and destruction which in turn fuels the creation. Or if the human predator is not this advanced in his consciousness maybe he just enjoys destroying that which is valuable like the Joker in Batman. By making a joke out of pain and loss all structure may be dissolved as it is threat of pain and loss that made it serious and rigid to begin with.

 

[Robbedigital]

Interesting! But, I feel there was quite a leap there. I have no need for the predator class to consider me, or anyone else, as an equal. Where is the simpler motivation to not treat people as lab rats? That seems like a first step.

Was thinking about this this morning. The simpler example would be for the Predator Class to have a perception of a permanent war in which their prey are a continuous threat.
The term for this is "otherizing" which is a pre-requisite for any battle. I've heard it's ridiculously difficult to kill someone on the battlefield if you see them as a person. I assume the same would apply for the Oligarchy supremacy mindset.

 

[Mishelle]

The innate desire to destroy is every bit as present in us all as the desire to create and build up. Children have to be disciplined (with threat of pain and loss) to reduce the destructive tendencies and cultivate the creative tendencies. When I play with blocks with my 2 year old son, destruction is part of the fun. Sometimes we agree upon the time for destruction and sometimes our wills are in conflict. This is the basic fractal pattern of all creation: old and young at times agreeing and at times disagreeing upon creation and destruction. A person and a soul are structures too. There is the spirit of a grinning 2-year-old boy out there that wants to scatter your soul's blocks across the universe. The objection to this comparison is that blocks are mere play and are not serious. What is serious? Pain and threat of loss make things serious. Seriousness adds rigidity to structure. Without the pain and destruction in harsh mother nature or predation nothing is serious and structure dissolves to the gooey inconsistency of cloud cuckoo land. So the predator with human level consciousness might consider him or herself merely a necessary instrument of pain and destruction which in turn fuels the creation. Or if the human predator is not this advanced in his consciousness maybe he just enjoys destroying that which is valuable like the Joker in Batman. By making a joke out of pain and loss all structure may be dissolved as it is threat of pain and loss that made it serious to begin with.

This is good, I get it!
So there is a line that gets crossed—a place where the predators’ challenges, which may be very necessary and legitimate on some level, actually moves into sadism, where they are motivated by their own pleasure of destruction to such a level that others’ suffering means only more laughs to them.
So where is the line when they essentially ‘fall on their own petard’ as the saying goes? Are we close yet? Can their destruction psychosis be beneficial at this level? If they are routinely ‘breaking’ their own children, I can see why they don’t have any qualms about breaking anything else either, but can that pattern continue indefinitely?

 

[Mishelle]

Was thinking about this this morning. The simpler example would be for the Predator Class to have a perception of a permanent war in which their prey are a continuous threat.
The term for this is "otherizing" which is a pre-requisite for any battle. I've heard it's ridiculously difficult to kill someone on the battlefield if you see them as a person. I assume the same would apply for the Oligarchy supremacy mindset.

I’ve heard this term and it does seem to work like a charm!
I’ve also often heard the antidote for this is empathy. But how does one inspire empathy in such types as Epstein? Is such a thing impossible?

 

[Hurmanetar]

This is good, I get it!
So there is a line that gets crossed—a place where the predators’ challenges, which may be very necessary and legitimate on some level, actually moves into sadism, where they are motivated by their own pleasure of destruction to such a level that others’ suffering means only more laughs to them.
So where is the line when they essentially ‘fall on their own petard’ as the saying goes? Are we close yet? Can their destruction psychosis be beneficial at this level? If they are routinely ‘breaking’ their own children, I can see why they don’t have any qualms about breaking anything else either, but can that pattern continue indefinitely?

Any system that endures must have these opposing forces in balance. Apex predators tend to go extinct during periods of planetary distress. And Obviously the predator class cannot consist solely of Jokers or it would have collapsed by now. It must consist of people who are trying to build as much as destroy... the problem for the little guy is they feel entitled to have immanent domain.

To zoom the fractal down to the individual level, we all have these tendencies within ourselves and our focus on empathy and construction and our discipline to not destroy or hurt represses those tendencies into the shadow of the subconscious. To become more fully conscious a person has to become aware of what is buried and hidden in their shadow including their darker repressed tendencies.

We idealize the peaceful warrior: someone who has fully integrated their shadow such that they are a beast, a monster, with great potential to destroy who nevertheless chooses to restrain such power and use it extremely conservatively and generally in such a way as to build up rather than tear down or to protect the powerless rather than feed on them.

 

[Robbedigital]

But how does one inspire empathy in such types as Epstein? Is such a thing impossible?

Of course it's possible, but it's a wiring issue that's above the paygrade of anyone living within a Type-0 or Type-1 civilization.
Just think for 1 second how many potential genius's, prodigies, and champions live behind bars or on the streets due to unhealthy upbringing, unhealthy environment, or lack of access to discipline? This is the same problem to be solved, but because it's magnitude is so far beyond our grasp we must settle with what we can manage. i.e.: In our current reality, if you pose a physical danger to others we must keep you in cage..(very primitive, but quite a few steps up from throwing stones at you or cutting your hand off).
I see the major issue with this problem is our honesty about its magnitude. There are many who would say "Let them all out of the corrupt jail system because it's corrupt and unacceptable!" and they believe the the level of corruption and unacceptability justifies removing the system without providing a better system to replace it. But if we're honest about the magnitude, we must see that while the best we have is shitty, it's much better than the previous shitty, and therefore our next improvement must also be shitty but better than this shitty.
So I believe the real problem is how do we establish the next realistic improvement ideal and find a way to distribute it throughout our dopamine addicted information highway. And SpoilerAlert, it's not a metaverse. It's probably something more like a redistribution network that somehow disincentivizes oligarchy. But people will still have to go to jail, and sociopaths will still get away with swindling.
I think the reality is that we have a lot more giant steps between the society we are, and the society where our most despised problems don't exist. So the real problem is: How do we champion the next legitimate giant step, as opposed to pretending a vaccine or climate reform will allow us to skip steps?????

 

[Hurmanetar]

By making a joke out of pain and loss all structure may be dissolved as it is threat of pain and loss that made it serious and rigid to begin with.

Humor shifts boundaries and attacks the seriousness that added rigidity to structure. Comedians are therefore anti-structure. Society needs them to maintain the balance like macrophages eating senescent cells that are no longer productive or cities that demolish old buildings.

When most people have a generally positive view of their societal structures finding them protective and beneficial, then comedians are marginalized. But when society finds its structures have become oppressive then the comedians are sought out and elevated as the only ones who can save us.

Our societal structures have become overly oppressive so comedian Joe Rogan is now more powerful than all other media. Q.E.D.

 

[Mishelle]

Any system that endures must have these opposing forces in balance. Apex predators tend to go extinct during periods of planetary distress. And Obviously the predator class cannot consist solely of Jokers or it would have collapsed by now. It must consist of people who are trying to build as much as destroy... the problem for the little guy is they feel entitled to have immanent domain.

To zoom the fractal down to the individual level, we all have these tendencies within ourselves and our focus on empathy and construction and our discipline to not destroy or hurt represses those tendencies into the shadow of the subconscious. To become more fully conscious a person has to become aware of what is buried and hidden in their shadow including their darker repressed tendencies.

We idealize the peaceful warrior: someone who has fully integrated their shadow such that they are a beast, a monster, with great potential to destroy who nevertheless chooses to restrain such power and use it extremely conservatively and generally in such a way as to build up rather than tear down or to protect the powerless rather than feed on them.

Do ‘we’ really idealize the peaceful warrior in modern times? I don’t see that. I see folks idealizing the Jokers and I have some thoughts on why that is that I will get to in due time. :)
In the meantime, this quote seemed appropriate here:

“What they fail to comprehend in their dark dungeons is that devils always lose, even when they win. Which is why they always lose against me. This is the deeper law of Nature they have never once become familiar with, because to become familiar with it you have to stop bowing to your evil ancestors for half a second and listen to the real song on the wind. They pretend they are tuned to Nature, because Nature is made of prey and predators. They are the predators, and predators show no mercy—meaning I am the one in denial, not them. But, I point out, in Nature the predators do not cheat. In Nature, those meant to win, win, and those meant to lose, lose. In Nature, the loser never lies or cheats or steals himself into the winner. In that sense, cheating is the ultimate sin against Nature. It is the attempt to undermine her hierarchies, and she punishes nothing more viciously.” Miles Mathis Bad Conspiracy Theorists http://mileswmathis.com/curio.pdf

 

[Mishelle]

Humor shifts boundaries and attacks the seriousness that added rigidity to structure. Comedians are therefore anti-structure. Society needs them to maintain the balance like macrophages eating senescent cells that are no longer productive or cities that demolish old buildings.

When most people have a generally positive view of their societal structures finding them protective and beneficial, then comedians are marginalized. But when society finds its structures have become oppressive then the comedians are sought out and elevated as the only ones who can save us.

Our societal structures have become overly oppressive so comedian Joe Rogan is now more powerful than all other media. Q.E.D.

Joe Rogan is hardly powerful and not a comedian. I could go out today in my town and ask 100 folks and not one of them would even know his name, and I live in TX, where I do believe he currently resides.

What we are seeing here in our institutions is NOT NEW, not even remotely new.

“What . . . Can be more shameless than for society to make an example of those whose she has goaded to the breach of order, instead of amending her own institutions which, by straining order into tyranny, produced the mischief? (On the penal laws, William Godwin, husband of Mary Wollstonecraft and father of Mary Shelley 1793)